In that board, there are several thread asking for books/songs/poems etc about suicide/self harm.
Whta do you think?
The rules state
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Please do not share any information on methods to self-harm or any tips, including the best ways/places to self-harm. Discussion of techniques that people have not yet heard of encourages them to then go and try them and must be avoided at all times. Information on scar reduction and preventing / reducing the risk of infection, however, are very much allowed and encouraged.
For example : "I find it works best when I do ...", "If you cut yourself on your XXX then even your doctor wouldnt see it" , “If I took X amount of pills – would it kill me?”.
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Please do not share any links to content deemed unsuitable on RYL, or to images / websites / videos / content that break the terms and conditions in any way. This includes naming or linking to any pro-ED, pro-self-harm, or pro-drug taking sites; any site that encourages self-harm in any way; or any sites that contain images that could trigger or upset. Requesting information about pirated software, or any other form of illegal activity is also prohibited, and this includes links to resources or websites that contain such information. Links where the poster gains from visitors, such as a link to an Ebay auction are also not permitted.
For example : "this site is pro' - what do you think?", "this is me at my thinnest - we're not allowed to post pics like this, so here's the link", "do you know where I can get PhotoShop for free?"
So, do you think that having these threads breaks the rules as potentially rule breaking things are being kind of linked within these threads, or do you think they are detrimental to members well being,
Or do you think people should be free to share material that helps them in some way.
Also.. if these threads do help, or if they really dont help you, could you possible explain why a little bit?
cheers m'dears.
PS: there is no way im going to sit and listen to every recommended song or watch the video for that song, or read every book thats mentioned. to check for rule breakings :P
Also, I think they are unhelpful, all those threads about "songs with SI" etc, but, I'm also aware I am at a different stage of recovery than what I was when I joined; which was when I was listening to your evanscence/linkin park type music. Though I suppose that's different to asking for songs specifically about cutting, which I've never actually done, so I suppose I don't understand. Maybe it's for those who want to have something to relate to a bit.
personally I have always found books on the topic of self-harm, mental health, etc. helpful... Esspecially ones where the person comes through it all and regains some degree of "normality" or "recovery" in their lives. It sort of helps when I'm feeling hopeless to know that others have gotten through things.
However, if/when I recomend any to others I am very careful not to recomend any that are overly graphic or that have what could be seen as "tip-sharing" in them
maybe not.
it's gone.
i swear i made one about the semi-autobiographical graphic stories in creative corner, where's that gone?
the reason i bring it up, is if you're discussing book recommendations as well, you might as well lump these stories in too, because it's the same thing, you can just read them here.
i would allow documentaries and books because they tend to be recovery orientated. but songs about SH, they're always so wallow-y and dare i say it, emo. they don't just normalise, they glamourise: look at my pain, it hurts so bad and don't i do it prettily. i will try and find examples to back this up.
but then it's not really my problem as i just avoid the threads with the tell-tale titles.
edit: creative corner, wasn't there talk of changing the labels along the lines of whether you're after contructive criticism, or just want to pour out your guts?
i think they should go.
i also think 90% of the stuff in creative corner needs to go.
because i encourages people to wallow in their misery, which i don't see as productive.
Without meaning to circlejerk: this.
I understand why people like to share books/films/music about SI - but I do feel it just - without meaning to just copy Eirinn's opinion - that it allows people to wallow essentially, and creates a negative and damaging atmosphere.
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Charlie, go to bed & stop causing trouble.
Haha.
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edit: creative corner, wasn't there talk of changing the labels along the lines of whether you're after contructive criticism, or just want to pour out your guts?
This would be so useful. Definitely remember discussion about it.
i would allow documentaries and books because they tend to be recovery orientated. but songs about SH, they're always so wallow-y and dare i say it, emo. they don't just normalise, they glamourise: look at my pain, it hurts so bad and don't i do it prettily. i will try and find examples to back this up.
but then it's not really my problem as i just avoid the threads with the tell-tale titles.
edit: creative corner, wasn't there talk of changing the labels along the lines of whether you're after contructive criticism, or just want to pour out your guts?
if you want to pour out your guts do it in r/v? i don't see a story about how your school peers bullied you or even a fictional story about how school peeers bullied you creative at all, a story about pixies yes, school peers bullying me, no. i understand these things are awful, but they put it in creative & expect lots of "oh what a great story" even when the writing it terrible & you want to give const crit, but you can't say that because they're writing about how school peers bullied them & they'll take it personally
my orignal example was about abuse & ive changed it to bullying, i am not making light of bullying t all, just an exampke.
What helps one person is going to trigger another. And apparently we err on the side of caution so these should go.
I find it quite odd, I don't understand it. But if people want to wallow in their misery then let them.
As an aside, if you post in Creative Corner then you should expect someone to come along and give it some constructive criticism. Not be downright nasty, but constructive. Actually, this goes for reviews too. I want to be able to say something was crap, otherwise it's not really a review and recommendation board, it's a let's only be positive about books/films board.
Last edited by The One Who : 13-09-2010 at 01:05 PM.
just to add, i don't necessarily want to stop people telling each other about this stuff on RYL. maybe you have to learn for yourself that it's not always dreadfully helpful.
maybe not.
it's gone.
i swear i made one about the semi-autobiographical graphic stories in creative corner, where's that gone?
the reason i bring it up, is if you're discussing book recommendations as well, you might as well lump these stories in too, because it's the same thing, you can just read them here.
I remember this, think it got locked because everyone whined about it.
