I don't mean to pick on you Jo, but the way I read your post is in the same tone I read a lot of other people's; 'people who can't use grammar/spell irritate us' . Now, people may then say 'oh, but we didn't mean you, you have an excuse/reason why you can't ' but the truth is, the way we type/spell will still irriate you, it's just you may be slightly more understand about it. The fact that people have said they find bad grammar/spelling irritating is what makes me feel self concious, whether they mean this statement to exclude dyslexic people or not.
I do understand what you're saying (and it's ok - I don't mind you picknig on me at all :) )
I think that perhaps what I should've written or expressed somewhere is that what bothers me isn't necessarily the bad spelling or grammar itself, but the laziness of it - which is why, for me (and I can only speak for me, although I know that you did say it's an attitude that's coming across in this thread), people with genuine reasons as to why they aren't using correct punctuation/grammar/spelling don't bother me - like, I know that you are dyslexic, and when I read your posts, I don't think 'god, why can't she just spell correctly' - because I know that it's not due to laziness/due to you simply not being bothered.
However, there are posts where it's fairly clear that it's just laziness, and yus, that's when it does frustrate me. I mean, there is being more casual (as it's not like you're writing an essay, it doesn't matter hugely), and just not using anything - and as much as anything else, using punctuation incorrectly can change the whole meaning of the sentence, or it's quite difficult to read something with no punctuation in.
So yus, it's not necessarily the bad spelling and grammar as such, more the laziness associated with it - which is why, yus, posts from people such as yourself don't bother me.
havent read completely. most text speak doesn't bother me too much, depending on who it's coming from. an occasional "u" for you for "2" is no big deal.
what i find stupid is when people spell "my" as "mah" as in "mah family" and things like that. i really wish i could think of more examples.
'Yhoo' and 'yew' instead of you makes me want to stab myself in the eye with a very sharp pencil.
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I don't have a problem with words that sound the same, because the way I read (which also happens to be really fast) is totally focused on how the words sound, I barely even see them on the page. I just get tripped up by "dat" for "that" and "dis" for "this", that kind of thing.
what bothers me isn't necessarily the bad spelling or grammar itself, but the laziness of it
That, exactly.
And I suppose I should resign for what I'm going to say now, () but text speak really, really annoys the hell out of me. If someone isn't willing to type correct English (or at least as correctly as possible - we all make mistakes!) when talking to me, I'll most likely ignore the person.
"It's faster" is not an argument. It's a matter of practice.
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Surely good grammar is synonymous with good manners - it reflects the care which you're prepared to devote to the reader and thus, indirectly, your opinion of them.
If I were sifting applicants for a job I wouldn't even consider those whose CVs were misspelt. If they can't even be bothered to express themselves carefully then what sort of impression are they likely to give to others about the Company.
I read lots of stuff, including on this site (which is not of course intended to be some sort of education in the use of English), where it's blindingly obvious that the writer hasn't even bothered to reread what they've written and have just banged it out regardless. That, in my book, is downright insulting; but, let me reiterate, RYL is here to support self-harmers and not to try to reform people in their use of English.
What I really hate is someone picking up bad grammar and having to correct it, often in the middle of a thread that has nothing to do with grammar or English. I don't get it? Everyone who has said they hate lazy people who don't check their grammar, how can you tell a lazy person from someone who may be dyslexic? Honestly I don't see a need for people to get so angry about bad grammar on a website used to support people.
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Faster definitely isn't an argument, Rike. I do not use text speak and I type around 100+ words per minute when my space bar isn't pissing me off. If someone can type even a third of that speed it is considered good. Text speak doesn't make things faster if the person takes the time to learn the proper way.
every post i post is because i either want to help, i need help or just want to talk about something. i put care into what ever i write i normally have to re-type things again and again because it doesnt seem ok, but just because my grammar, spelling and other things to with writting arent always correct it doesnt mean i dont care about what im writting, it just means i dont always understand or see that something is wrong. like there are some words i will never learn how to spell and the same with there are some gramical things that i will never understand and its not through lack of trying to or hard work to understand them its just because my mind isnt built that way.
and no offence Tony but i think not just me but other people may get a little upset by saying good grammar comes with good manners. when people meet me and when i was in the psych ward i was constantly being told i have amazing manners, im just not good at things to do with literacy (i think thats the word i want) and im not blaming it on dyslexia but it does make it extremly hard especially if like me it was picked up on very late in my education.
Text speak doesn't make things faster if the person takes the time to learn the proper way.
Word! I'm with you in that apparently I type abnormally fast, but still... as I said before, it's the laziness that gets to me.
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and no offence Tony but i think not just me but other people may get a little upset by saying good grammar comes with good manners.
I see what you mean, but it depends on the situation, I think. Of course you can have bad spelling/grammar and excellent manners in social situations - but I understood Tony's post to be more related to the world of job hunting and professionalism.
Like... if I hand in an application to a potential employer, I'll check at least ten times for spelling mistakes. Then get someone else to check it as well. Then check again. It's about making a good first impression. In that example, good manners and good spelling do go hand in hand. If I wrote "Yo, pleez give me dis job" it'd show that I really didn't care about it at all... and I'd be wasting another person's time by having to read it.
Of course it's different here, since language isn't the focus of the site. But if a person expects me to read their posts, and put effort into replying to them (or translate that to reading what they write in chat and replying to it there...) I think it's justified to expect the other person to make an effort as well.
(Note, I said effort, not perfection ;) )
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Surely good grammar is synonymous with good manners
I hate that saying...
I used to keep in touch with my Gran via email, but now she refuses to reply unless they are perfectly written as it's "rude" :(
I can't help it that the decoding part of my brain doesn't work properly
if I hand in an application to a potential employer, I'll check at least ten times for spelling mistakes. Then get someone else to check it as well. Then check again. It's about making a good first impression. In that example, good manners and good spelling do go hand in hand.
I could check it a million times but miss a mistake... If you do not know how a word is spelt or how a certain grammatical rule works then how are you supposed to know if it is wrong?
I could check it a million times but miss a mistake... If you do not know how a word is spelt or how a certain grammatical rule works then how are you supposed to know if it is wrong?
That's why, when it's important (like my example with job applications) it's advised to have a second person read it over. No matter whether you have dyslexia or not, you'll most likely not catch every mistake you made - if that were possible, editors would all be jobless ;)
Obviously that doesn't work for forum posts and would be way over the top, but yeah, just to explain what I meant.
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) but text speak really, really annoys the hell out of me. If someone isn't willing to type correct English (or at least as correctly as possible - we all make mistakes!) when talking to me, I'll most likely ignore the person.
