I suppose what happens in a lesbian relationship is totally up to those in the relationship. I think naturally there can be a dominant and submissive role to a lot of relationships, the "normal" being a heterosexual relationship, with the female being submissive and the male being dominant . From an evolutionary view point that might have ensured that our genes are passed along from on generation to the next.
Personally I'm a female in a relationship with a male with no desire for children, which has resulted on people thinking less of me, but that's how it goes, no one is the same, dominant and submissive roles aren't related to sex.
^what do you suggest happens in a lesbian relationship Tony? Should we just sit at home looking after our cats and cleaning, waiting for a knight in shining armour to dash in to become our breadwinner?
You obviously hire a man to earn money for you so theyre the breadwinner,duhhhhhhh :P x
There are times to stay put, and what you want will come to you.
But there are times to go out into the world and find such a thing for yourself.
I aint no abacus but you can count on me.
Of course it's sexist, celtic! Grow up! I employ a cleaning lady once a week to do the ironing and tidy up our mess as best she can. I cannot imagine putting an advert in a local paper for a man to do the same.
Though I don't doubt for a moment that there aren't men who are just as capable. But I'd feel uncomfortable with them doing it ...
So am I saying that women should be relegated to a mainly servile role - no, no, no!. But, back to basics, men were designed to go out and capture the meat and women were designed to stay at home and nurture the children. And whatever modernist nonsense may now say this remains fundamental
Tony (in primal mode).
Worth breaking my forum silence to say that, from a man's point of view, this post makes me very sad for the male gender. Are we really still thinking like this?
tu as tant de choses à dire,
mais le tout reste enfermer.
et quand tu ne sais plus quoi dire,
tu te mets à pleurer.
Mais ça ton publique le voit pas,
tu l'incites à rêver, pendant que toi tu le regarde...
Worth breaking my forum silence to say that, from a man's point of view, this post makes me very sad for the male gender. Are we really still thinking like this?
I may well be living in the past, effervescence - but actually all I've said is that I personally felt I had a duty to support my wife and children. If she had wanted a parallel career we'd have no doubt worked something out, though I suspect the children would have suffered ...
And Narcissa, there are no such things as knights in shining armour, only men with all their strengths and weaknesses.
You obviously hire a man to earn money for you so theyre the breadwinner,duhhhhhhh :P x
Of course! We couldn't possibly survive without a man to win us some bread!
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I may well be living in the past, effervescence - but actually all I've said is that I personally felt I had a duty to support my wife and children. If she had wanted a parallel career we'd have no doubt worked something out, though I suspect the children would have suffered
I don't see what this has got to do with you being a man though? I feel I have a duty (or more the privilege) to support my girlfriend and any future children we have but that means making decisions about work etc that support and benefit each other and our family and has nothing to do with gender stereotypes. I think in general, it's shouldn't be about which person in the relationship is a man, but just about what's best in each individual case.
going back to the original post I would guess that the reasn for them targeting women would be that the people using the toilets would probably feel more comfortable with a female cleaner. For no real reason other than than people are odd don't think it's right but that's my assumption
as for this other conversation... well firstly if it's my role to do all the domesticy stuff and look after the kids then I feel bad for my future children lol, I fail at housework and at the whole nurtury thing...
On the thing about one parent working and one looking after the children thing, I am not sure that's financial viable in a lot of siturations... I have several friends with children and in most cases both work, and I have seen how much they struggle. One of my closest friends has a 4 year old child, and both her and her husband work, their son now is at school most days, but before this a LOT of people would help out with looking after him. Mainly his uncle, but there are also a lot of his parents friends who help (he calls us all uncle/aunt lol). I don't think he's suffered due to this, he is an amazing child and basically just has a GIANT extended family... Afterall you don't need to be connected by blood to be family
There is also the issue of single parents... I know a few single parents, one of whom basically has no family to assist him so he basically had to stop working and look after the child until she was old enough to go to school and now he has to juggle childcare and working. He feels very guilty about this I know, but the alternative is to go back onto benefits which he also feels guilty about...
You obviously hire a man to earn money for you so theyre the breadwinner,duhhhhhhh :P x
Well we can advertise for this in the men's bathroom then and call it all good. :P
In seriousness, I think it's sometimes easy to fall into the stereotypical "gender roles" as far as today's nuclear families are concerned, partly because it's what society seems to expect, partly due to the fact that sometimes it's easier for the man to get a job or the gender wage gap means the man would be the higher earner and therefore the more logical breadwinner. So there's logical beginnings but at the same time, there's hardly a traditional family anymore and each family has to decide on their own what's right and makes sense for them, since each family is unique.
I may well be living in the past, effervescence - but actually all I've said is that I personally felt I had a duty to support my wife and children. If she had wanted a parallel career we'd have no doubt worked something out, though I suspect the children would have suffered ...
And that's fine, but I was mostly reacting to your sarcastic comments about where the hell children come from in a lesbian relationship, and the way you totally attacked the OP about something being obviously sexist and to grow up, since gender stereotypes are the right and correct way.
Even as the stone of the fruit must break
that its heart may stand in the sun,
so must you know pain.
There are only two ways in which one can live their life. One is as though nothing is a miracle, the other is as though everything is.
And that's fine, but I was mostly reacting to your sarcastic comments about where the hell children come from in a lesbian relationship, and the way you totally attacked the OP about something being obviously sexist and to grow up, since gender stereotypes are the right and correct way.
This and everything else you've said.
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I have no, I know people keep telling me to try and and all that but I don't like spending money haha.
Don't worry, I've only eaten at Subway once, and didn't fall head over heels in love with the place.
Without writing an essay-length response, I'll say this:
In reply to the placing of the advertising of the post, at least some of the posters were able to be seen by males, it's a start, although a better effort could have been made.
In reply to everything else, the notion of family is ever-changing and it's necessary that we change with it, otherwise we'll be left behind. As for men evolving from being hunter-gatherer so therefore they are the breadwinners in today's society, there are also women, who are just unable to do some of the things that they would be expected to do in a traditional nuclear family - eg cooking.
And yes, in response to feminism, if you want to stay at home and bake cookies, good for you. For me, feminism is about being able to do what you want without any limitations due to one's sex or gender. Everybody is equal.
don't think it's right but that's my assumption
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You've never had Subway??!! It's so yummy!
