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Firstly the question of suicide itself.
This means that the person thinks that there is no other alternative. Living as life as presently 'Living is HELL', therefore death is preferable. Think carefully what I just wrote: The focus is entirely on self, no other is considered. So suicide is inherently selfish.
Also death is preferable to any other alternative in living. Possibly the choices have not been evaluated. So suicide is then an act of a child without thinking.
Death means 'I have no value in life to any one'. Suicide is then throwing away of someone of infinite value.
Second the question of after.
Any killing is murder, even if it is of self. 'Geno', a people; 'Patri', a father; 'Matri', a mother; 'fratri', a brother or sister; 'sui' self: with 'cide', means killing or murder.
Contrition, is an 'act of will' or 'mind' in life and therefore cannot be made after death. There is no body and mind attached to the soul after death.
'Murder' means you do not have any value for God's gift, a rejection of God.Tell me what is the consequence of grievous sin? And death while in this state? The answer is 'Hell'. That HELL is far far worse than any HELL on earth as it means total separation from GOD separation from any LOVE whatsoever.
Something someone sent me when i was rather low and wanting to give up.Its really helped me so i thought id share=) =)
For people who don't believe in God, this article doesn't apply to them.. I think that people who are religious say that God has his plan for every individual and so no one should cut their life short.. But there are different religious views on suicide.. But thanks for sharing..
I cant say i agree with this at all, its too prechy. Isnt the whole point that if you did commit suicide that you would be forgiven as you arnt in the right state of mind and that cannot be held against you, being ill cannot be held against you.
But i agree with the whole different religions have different veiws.
"Its not how long a star shines, what is remembered is the brightness of the light"
I don't agree with any of this at all. And it wouldn't cheer me up or deter me from suicide either. There are much better suicide deterants that focus on the overall impact on family and friends. I think thats much more important than the threat of going to hell. Thats just my opinion, though.
I'd like to think that this would help someone who is religious :)
i am a christian gal....and when i was at thi9s place...i didnt think like this, and nor would it detur me....i simply thaught that if i was dead i would go to heaven, my sisns forgiven, and i could be with my god
reading that sounds so corney
We are so accustomed to disguise ourselves to others that in the end we become disguised to ourselves.
Nobody who is in a suicidal frame of mind would think this way, and would probably (regardless of their religious views) think it ignorant and patronising. If anything, being called a selfish child for wanting to kill myself would only make me feel worse about myself and about life.
Also, "throwing away something of infinite value"? I doubt any suicidal person has ever attached any value whatsoever to his or her life, whether or not he or she is religious.
To be perfectly honest, as someone who has attempted suicide twice, I find this downright insulting.
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I am a Christian, and I have to say I disagree strongly with this. I have difficulty believing that a loving, gracious God would condemn someone to Hell because they were hurting so badly that they could not live in their own life. Condemning someone to eternal torture because they already were living in lifelong agony? If it were me, that very well may throw me over the edge. "Great. This person is telling me if I commit suicide I'm going to hell. I'll show them!"
Now, if it's helped you, that's all fine and great. But what helps one may not help another, or may even make them worse.
"When you feel like giving up, remember why you held on for so long in the first place." - Anon
"When you come to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on. " - FDR
At times when i have been close to suicide, it has been my belief in God that has gotten me through. The way I believe, is that i am who i am, and who i am i am taking with me after i die. i feel the reason why i am depressed and such, and the actions that brought me to this site is because i hate who i have become. i feel like this life is the time for us to change who we are into something better, and after this life we cant do much to change who we are. So with that thread of logic, if i were to kill myself to get away from myself because i hate myself, well then i would still be with myself, except without the opportunity of changing who i am... with the added pain of seeing those i love hurt by my actions. That is mostly what has kept me from attempting suicide. And the hope is that if i change who i am into someone that i do like, then my depression would get better. So that is what i am attempting to do. its a slow process, but its my plan.
When someones mind is not thinking clearly (such as when mentally ill), i don't believe that God would condemn them to hell, but would only judge them by what they were capable of understanding at the time. God created us, He loves us, and it would be very inconsistent with his nature to give someone an illness to which they cannot judge logically, and then eternally punish them for making bad decisions while in that state.
-brian
'in the quiet heart is hidden, sorrow that the eye can't see'
For people who don't believe in God, this article doesn't apply to them.. I think that people who are religious say that God has his plan for every individual and so no one should cut their life short.. But there are different religious views on suicide.. But thanks for sharing..
I agree with you 100%. I am agnostic and, obviously, I don't have a religion...so this article really doesn't change anything for me. I don't know if there's a heaven and about hell, in my opinion, I live in it already...hell is a state of mind not a physical place like a continent or a country. I don't keep thinking in the afterlife and if god is going to punish me. I think what may happen to me here on earth. If I try to commit suicide and don't succeed I don't think "When I die God is going to punish me forever because I screwed up". I think that probably they would put in mental institution for some period of time to treat myself.
I am not encouraging suicide, after all is tragic act for you and for others. If you succeed, your family and friends are going to suffer forever and if you don't succeed you're going to be stigmatized for a very long time, not too mention the shame and regret.
You said suicide is a selfish act. The human being in general is selfish by nature, since in little things like a boy that bought 20 candys and refused to give one to his brother or People A sees People B getting sick in the middle of street and doesn't stop to help because she is late or because she thinks it might be a thief or something...
My point is we should never judge anyone for wanting to put an end to it all. Some people might think suicide is for the weak and cowards. But people who never been through some hard situations doesn't know how someone feels, what pain someone goes through everyday...what we can do is try to help, without judging and preaching, which only makes everything worse (I know it by personal experience)
I am not saying anything bad about your beliefs and religion. If it helped you when you were low and wanting to give up, it's good...any help is welcome when you need. I don't agree with your opinion, but I respect it, after all you are free to believe or not to believe in anything you want to.
I write this alone on my bed; I've poisoned every room in the house; The place is quiet and so alone; Pretend there's something worth waiting for; There's nothing nice in my head The adult world took it all away; Wake up with same spit in my mouth; Cannot tell if it is real or not; I try and walk in a straight line An imitation of dignity- MSP - From despair to Where
I am human and I need to be loved just like everybody else does - The Smiths How Soon is Now
I'm a christian and reading that wouldnt have helped me when I was suicidal. Too judgemental.
That.
I was brought up with the view that suicide is wrong, but for slightly different reasons. Mostly in relation of it being disrespectful to God, that kind of stuff.
With the "you'll be punished for it", to be honest, I wouldn;t really care, because when I'm in a suicidal frame of mind (and usually), I genuinely believe that I need to be punished, so that bit of it wouldn't work. So, even being a Christian hasn't stopped me attempting on several occasions, and I doubt that being told how selfish and bad I'm about to be, would stop me in the future. Has to be something more weighty than that.
Firstly, I think it's unfair of you to say in the first sentence that if someone has something negative to say that "bashes" other religions, to keep it to themselves, yet you seem to have no problem writing this post. It comes across as very preachy.
Glad it worked for you, but honestly it is way too judgmental to help me, and some of the others who have said so in this thread. Maybe it's because I don't believe in God, or any religion for that matter.
Whatever works for people, that's cool, but I don't think it needs to be written and delivered like a sermon.
Religion helps more when you are told that you can be forgiven and being ill isnt held against you, telling me im going to go to hell is going against everything i was brought up with, and threating people with going to hell just is so wrong, because the bible was wrote along time ago that so many things are sinful and we would go to hell because of it, even though by todays standard its normal.
But i agree putting the whole "if you have something bad to say dont say it" isnt going to stop people from expressing thier opionons. I was raised christian but i was also taught that we are forgiven and if we give up our fight then god doesnt hold that against us.
Christianity is meant to teach you that no matter what you do you can be forgiven and no matter what god loves you, not force you into being perfect by threatining going to hell.
"Its not how long a star shines, what is remembered is the brightness of the light"
The Bible teaches that from the moment we truly believe in Christ, we are guaranteed eternal life (John 3:16). According to the Bible, Christians can know beyond any doubt that they possess eternal life (1 John 5:13). Nothing can separate a Christian from God’s love (Romans 8:38-39). If no “created thing” can separate a Christian from God’s love, and even a Christian who commits suicide is a “created thing,” then not even suicide can separate a Christian from God’s love. Jesus died for all of our sins, and if a true Christian, in a time of spiritual attack and weakness, commits suicide, that would still be a sin covered by the blood of Christ.
^ this is what i believe. Suicide is still most certainly a sin, as it is (like OP said) murder of oneself. However I believe that the moment you accept Jesus into your life you are bound for heaven.
I completely agree with Bleeding Angel
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Religion helps more when you are told that you can be forgiven and being ill isnt held against you, telling me im going to go to hell is going against everything i was brought up with, and threating people with going to hell just is so wrong
Also on the punishment side of things. The Christian view is that Jesus died for our sins, he died so that we don't need to be punished anymore. He was the ultimate sacrifice.
The things that keep me on this earth is knowing that God has a plan for me, knowing that he will never give me more than we (together) can handle and knowing that his way (life) is so much better than my way.
Like the OP I also believe that suicide is a selfish act but I also know (as previously stated) that human nature is selfish. I would never judge someone for commiting suicide, just be mournful of the life they never got to complete, and empathetic of their family and friends.
Life is indeed an imensely valuble thing, but unfortunately it doesnt always seem that way.
Im really glad that it helped u. Maybe u would also find it helpful to talk and pray with some christian friends when times get tough. I hope ur doing alright now
p.s. sorry for the essay!!!
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Reason: spellings!
Something I always wondered is this:
If suicide is an unforgiveable sin, then I kill myself and end up in hell for eternity. If it's a forgiveable sin then I end up in heaven for eternity (provided I haven't committed any other major sins!). So what I really don't understand is that because eternity is such a long time, so much longer than anything we can invisage, then why stay alive? If there is nothing after death then dying early only prevents more suffering to the self, but if there is life after death then eternity is so many times greater than natural life that it renders any decision about life based on religious grounds as completely irrelevant.
Obvviously this discounts taking other people's feelings into account and certainly doesn't mean suicide is right, but it's always something I've never understood.
^ I guess that just goes on to the question that no one knows what happens after you die, people can speculate but no one knows, we wont know until we die, but depending on which religion it tells you different things, like your spirit returns to the earth, or you are reincarnate, or well nothing.
look the truth is
everyone is unique
do you think that a god that created the WHOLE UNIVERSE
would be silly enough to be like, 'no i dont care that you had a mental ilness or that you weren't thinking straight at the time you're going to hell'
God loves us, we're his best friend
the most important thing is to be sorry
but only he can see into your soul and evaluate whether or not you're guilty
then again, im not saying suicide is okay and i'm not saying, 'yeah just do it God will understand' suicide's serious and if you're considering it I BEG that you don't even for reasons other than whether or not it's a sin
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'in the quiet heart is hidden, sorrow that the eye can't see'
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