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Old 22-07-2013, 02:37 PM   #1
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Online pornography to be blocked by ISPs in the UK

Most households in the UK will have pornography blocked by their internet provider unless they choose to receive it, David Cameron has announced.

In addition, the prime minister said possessing online pornography depicting rape would become illegal in England and Wales - in line with Scotland.

Mr Cameron warned in a speech that access to online pornography was "corroding childhood".

The new measures will apply to both existing and new customers.

Mr Cameron also called for some "horrific" internet search terms to be "blacklisted", meaning they would automatically bring up no results on websites such as Google or Bing.

He told the BBC he expected a "row" with service providers who, he said in his speech, were "not doing enough to take responsibility" despite having a "moral duty" to do so.

He also warned he could have to "force action" by changing the law and that, if there were "technical obstacles", firms should use their "greatest brains" to overcome them.

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In his speech, Mr Cameron said family-friendly filters would be automatically selected for all new customers by the end of the year - although they could choose to switch them off.

And millions of existing computer users would be contacted by their internet providers and told they must decide whether to use or not use "family-friendly filters" to restrict adult material.

The filters would apply to all devices linked to the affected home Wi-Fi network and across the public Wi-Fi network "wherever children are likely to be present".

Customers who do not click on either option - accepting or declining - will have filters activated by default, Tory MP Claire Perry, Mr Cameron's adviser on the sexualisation and commercialisation of childhood, told the BBC.

The UK's biggest internet service providers have agreed to the filters scheme meaning it should cover 95% of homes.

Other measures announced by the prime minister included:

New laws so videos streamed online in the UK will be subject to the same restrictions as those sold in shops

Search engines having until October to introduce further measures to block illegal content

Experts from the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre being given more powers to examine secretive file-sharing networks

A secure database of banned child porn images gathered by police across the country will be used to trace illegal content and the paedophiles viewing it

Mr Cameron also called for warning pages to pop up with helpline numbers when people try to search for illegal content.

He said: "I want to talk about the internet, the impact it is having on the innocence of our children, how online pornography is corroding childhood.

"And how, in the darkest corners of the internet, there are things going on that are a direct danger to our children, and that must be stamped out.


But former Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre boss Jim Gamble told BBC Radio 4's Today programme it was important to "get to the root cause" of illegal pornography, by catching those responsible for creating it.

He added: "You need a real deterrent, not a pop-up that paedophiles will laugh at."

But Ms Perry argued filters would make a difference, saying that the killers of schoolgirls April Jones and Tia Sharp had accessed legal pornography before moving on to images of child abuse.

She added: "It's impossible to buy this material in a sex shop... but it's possible to have it served up on a computer every day."

In his speech, Mr Cameron said possession of online pornography depicting rape would be made illegal.

"Possession of such material is already an offence in Scotland but because of a loophole in the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008, it is not an offence south of the border," Mr Cameron said.

"Well I can tell you today we are changing that. We are closing the loophole - making it a criminal offence to possess internet pornography that depicts rape."

The move has been welcomed by women's groups and academics who had campaigned to have "rape porn" banned.

Holly Dustin, director of the End Violence Against Women Coalition, said the group was "delighted".

"The coalition government has pledged to prevent abuse of women and girls, so tackling a culture that glorifies abuse is critical for achieving this," she said.

"The next step is working with experts to ensure careful drafting of the law and proper resourcing to ensure the law is enforced fully."

Mr Cameron, who has faced criticism from Labour over cuts to Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre's funding, insisted the centre's experts and police would be given the powers needed to keep pace with technological changes on the internet.


"Let me be clear to any offender who might think otherwise: there is no such thing as a safe place on the internet to access child abuse material," he said.

A spokesman for Google said: "We have a zero tolerance attitude to child sexual abuse imagery. Whenever we discover it, we respond quickly to remove and report it.

"We recently donated $5m (£3.3m) to help combat this problem and are committed to continuing the dialogue with the government on these issues."

According to some experts, "default on" can create a dangerous sense of complacency, says BBC technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones.

He says internet service providers would dispute Mr Cameron's interpretation of the new measures, insisting they did not want to be seen as censors.

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Personally I think this is a good thing. Protecting children from online pornography is a good thing- younger and younger children are stumbling across adult content and getting warped ideas about sex and women. I'm not saying all porn is warped, or wrong, but there is some pretty hardcore stuff just a few clicks away from google. I think only adults should be able to decide if they personally want to watch pornography by opting in to the service.

Some people have said that children should instead be monitored on the computer, not be allowed their own laptops etc but it's physically impossible to monitor a child the whole time. Say you're a single parent, or your partner is at work, and you have the housework to do, dinner to cook, other children to watch and your kid wants to do their homework online? You can't sit beside them the whole time. Or if they go round their friends house and their parents don't care what they look at?

Obviously teenagers will be more savvy with technology and could use their mobile phones, ipads etc to watch porn but hopefully it won't be as detrimental to them as it will to children, and their parents will hopefully have talked to them about how unrealistic pornography is.



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Old 22-07-2013, 04:55 PM   #2
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Better parental controls? Better education?

Google is search engine, it does not control what it uploaded onto the Internet. Also, porn of any description must be searched for. It isn't simply there once you click on your browser, it's not the first thing you see (unless you're into that sort of thing :p)

I'm against this. Trying to censor the Internet will never work. And, really, there's nothing wrong with porn. Rape fantasies are incredibly common, although not very often shared, and I think if the adults are consenting and simply role-playing then why not? If that's what gets you off, then meh.

All this will do is push things further underground, further into the shadows. It's not addressing the problems of people who make child porn, or film rapes or anything of that sort.

(Plus, am I allowed to mention proxies?)


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Old 22-07-2013, 09:27 PM   #3
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Censorship is pointless and will lead parents into a false sense of security, parents will think they can just sit back and do nothing now whilst leaving little Jimmy alone with his laptop. After all the government has stepped in and saved the day, the internet is now a purified paradise for all. What the luddites failed to realise is that little Jimmy has found out how to avoid using the ISPs default DNS settings and has also found out from his cousin James that there are hundreds of thousands of free VPNs and Proxies easily found online which allow you to bypass all of the site blocking restrictions put in place. Wishing to appear clever in front of his friends the next day at school he tells all of his classmates about his discovery and it spreads like wildfire, by the end of the week all of the kids at the school are now able to bypass the restrictions but none of the parents know because they're all bone idle layabouts who'd prefer to shirk their responsibilities onto the government.



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Old 22-07-2013, 10:55 PM   #4
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another reason not to go to the uk... as far parental controls those are such a stupid joke my parents had them i learned how to get around them within a couple days... i personally disagree with people thinking porn giving children a warped sense of view of woman and men and sexual relations. i watched porn from maybe 10 dont mean i think woman like to be treated like they are in the movies :P

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Old 22-07-2013, 11:07 PM   #5
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tbh - i'da thought if youre wanting to find it enough, it'll be found

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Old 22-07-2013, 11:30 PM   #6
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I find the whole thing rather odd as it feels like blocking pornography is almost piggy backing on blocking child abuse and rape images, I mean child abuse and rape are illegal but pornography isn't illegal, so why tie it in with rape and child porn?

It almost feels like it's invalidating how bad child abuse and rape is by linking it with pornography because those things are illegal and immoral, yet pornography is legal.





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Old 23-07-2013, 12:39 AM   #7
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Also what happens to perfectly legitimate sites like Reddit where the majority of the content is perfectly acceptable for all ages but some of the subreddits feature nudity? Reddit is very popular amongst teens and I doubt many will be happy seeing it blocked. Then there are the popular image hosting sites like imgur where anyone anywhere can upload pretty much anything, does that also get blocked because some people use it to host nude images and not just funny pictures of cats and squirrels? Then there are also advocacy sites relating to sexuality for example which also end up getting blocked, TalkTalk's homesafe filter blocks the website of Brighton Pride along with the websites and forums of several youth LGBT groups. How the hell is blocking access to help and advice for lesbian and gay teens a good thing? It's already likely a tough enough time for them without making them think that their sexuality is something to be ashamed of because it's blocked and they can't access advice.

Edit: Those who object to the proposed filtering can sign the following petition: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/51746 Already hit 10,000 signatures in a short period of time


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Old 23-07-2013, 01:22 AM   #8
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The computers in hospital blocked a lot of pictures of harry potter related things.

I think NetNanny was drunk or something.



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Old 23-07-2013, 03:04 PM   #9
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When I was a kid, my mum got an internet censoring thing which closed the browser if one Googled (or Yahoo'd or even Ask Jeeves'd) any word remotely related to sex or nudity (including the likes of f*ck or ass), and blocked any page featuring those words. Regardless of context. This gave me no end of grief as one of my favourite bands back then was the Sex Pistols. Talking my mum into getting rid of it was easy, once I demonstrated that googling a word like "embarrass" would instantly close the browser. Even she agrees that it was utterly ridiculous.

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Old 23-07-2013, 03:49 PM   #10
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I enjoy my porn so it better be safe haha.





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Old 23-07-2013, 03:51 PM   #11
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I'm not a prude per se but porn has gotten really twisted. Kids are pretty much growing up on degenerate stuff. I used to see topless girls as a kid. Now they watch girls eating feces, vomiting and having "machines" go up their privates or getting beat up. Only a disturbed society would create the massive volume of gross stuff that escalates every day. I don't belive for a minute that such stuff cant be controlled better.

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^ That's disgusting!

I have plenty more else I could say. But am holding back as it's work related and wouldn't be appropriate for me to reveal.

The thing is though, it being blocked on the internet doesn't stop people doing it to other people and so it goes...

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Old 23-07-2013, 04:37 PM   #13
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It reminds me of that episode of south park where the internet dies and Randy cant masturbate because he got so used to be able to access all sorts of weird porn on the internet.

I think its a waste of time tbh,people will find a way round it or they will just start calling the fake rape ones something different.




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Old 23-07-2013, 05:56 PM   #14
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You know this legislation would block self harm websites as well, so one slip of the censor and it's bye bye RYL!

Personally I think it's worrying, what else is the government going to start censoring? Why not political opinion that disagrees with them? Information about how to appeal benefits decisions?





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Exactly heidi , thin end of the wedge.

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I don't see child porn legal anywhere and it doesn't turn up in searches. They could do the same thing with women having sex with horses and dogs, feces eating etc

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People have weird fetishes. Always have, always will.
The internet makes it more accessible, but I doubt anyone is going to turn around and say "well, I can't do a google search, I might just watch cat videos on youtube instead"



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People have weird fetishes. Always have, always will.
Some people did - there are a great many more now. Perversion has gone mainstream actually. These days if you aren't a kinkster people think something is wrong with you lol

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Don't see the problem with this at all. Porn isn't being banned, you just have to ask for it.

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