Sorry if I'm just barging in...
but I've been thinking about it a lot lately, that in the Bible it says that our bodies are temples and that we need to take care of it..
does that make SI a sin? ._.
It very well may be, but here's the thing. God's not gonna hate us because we SI. He know's we're in pain and sees how and why we hurt ourselves. If anyone tells you that God looks down on you because you are an SIer, don't listen to them. They can't say that truthfully. I used to worry about that too, but then I had a little heart to heart with Big Daddy up there (hope calling Him that doesn't offend anyone) and it changed my way of thinking on that.
A lost soul pays no mind to the things that bear no meaning
But everyone around me (who dont know about my SI) have already condemned people who SI, saying that SI is against christianity and stuff. Hence people who SI are not real christians.
>__<
we're all struggling, but we're trying. Even if God doesnt hate me, He would at least be.. disappointed/angry right..? ):
The people sayin that to you have problems too. no ones perfect...any sin is "against Christianity", or to word it better, against God. Its not about rules, its about relationship...im really confused right now but know this much is true.
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Every day the world is made a chance to change but i feel the same.
And I wonder why would i wait till i die to come alive?"
All alone the way she feels
Left alone to deal with all the pain-drenched sorrow relief
Agreed >-< I.. I really want to devote myself to being a good Christian, and I try. But I'm not ready to let go of SI-ing yet, and even if I convince myself not to do it physically, I haven't been able to stop for more than a few days lately and just constantly think about it. The Bible technically says it's a sin... but.. wouldn't He understand? .__.
So many people are looking to me to be strong and to fight, but I'm just surviving.
The mirror can lie...doesn't show you what's inside. It's amazing what you can hide, just by putting on a smile.
Please feel free to PM me if you need to talk... I'll always listen.
Sorry if I'm just barging in...
but I've been thinking about it a lot lately, that in the Bible it says that our bodies are temples and that we need to take care of it..
does that make SI a sin? ._.
Sure - but everyone is born into sin and can't save themselves. Recall what Peter wrote:
"We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it".
He's basically saying he cant do the right he wants to do and is subject to a compulsive, conditioned side of his nature that isn't really "him" but is a false nature that prevents him from being who he really wants to be. So its ok to see a part of you is wrong but its not really you and you dont want to hate yourself because that keeps you stuck. See problems and be gently sorry but don't get morbid and self condemning (playing God). That will block you from the rediscovery of your true nature and the inner grace that will free you from compulsions without struggling and trying to save yourself (that's ego)
This is really helpful actually, I have been feeling down a lot, and eat chocolate as an antidepressant, and someone I am now living with keeps having a go at me for buying chocolate and eating it (she is judging me and keeps implying that it is my fault that she is unable to lose weight, even though we only moved into the house on saturday, and it feels like she is already guilt tripping me), but if I didn't eat it, I would SI more, and then that would make me binge on chocolate loads.
Death is one moment, and life is so many of them.
Don't look forward to the day you stop suffering, because when it comes you'll know you're dead.
~ Tennessee Williams
I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad,
The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had.
I'm actually a girl. My nickname was given by a friend and stuck ;)
hi. i just finished a conversation with someone who just had a fight with someone and sounded really down and depressed. she said that she was feeling very weird and im afriad that person is thinking about suicide. i tried to calm him/her but i couldnt find the right words. im so mad at myself, my mind drew a blank.
please pray for this person that they will not think about suicide and please pray that if he/she is thinking about suicide that the Lord would talk to her and calm her and help her realize that suicide is not the solution.
But everyone around me (who dont know about my SI) have already condemned people who SI, saying that SI is against christianity and stuff. Hence people who SI are not real christians.
>__<
we're all struggling, but we're trying. Even if God doesnt hate me, He would at least be.. disappointed/angry right..? ):
Don't let the things people say waver your thoughts about God. Unless Jesus Hmself came down and told you that you couldn't be a Chrisitan because you SI, DO NOT listen to what other people say. They don't know how God judges things or what He thinks of things. Don't let people get in the way of your connection with Him. Block out everything from that connection and you'll know the truth and understand. I promise you that just fat out talking to God will help you understand. Don't let people get in the way of that lifeline.
A lost soul pays no mind to the things that bear no meaning
Don't let the things people say waver your thoughts about God. Unless Jesus Hmself came down and told you that you couldn't be a Chrisitan because you SI, DO NOT listen to what other people say. They don't know how God judges things or what He thinks of things. Don't let people get in the way of your connection with Him. Block out everything from that connection and you'll know the truth and understand. I promise you that just fat out talking to God will help you understand. Don't let people get in the way of that lifeline.
Well.. how do i put this.. SI is.. wrong. God didnt give us a body for us to destroy. I clearly know it, but i still do it.
God would forgive those who repent.
SI = hurting myself = hurting temple of God = sin
I dont repent, so it's like.. defying God, aint it?
Well.. how do i put this.. SI is.. wrong. God didnt give us a body for us to destroy. I clearly know it, but i still do it.
God would forgive those who repent.
SI = hurting myself = hurting temple of God = sin
I dont repent, so it's like.. defying God, aint it?
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-confused-
I can't agree, I don't determine what's right or wrong. You understanding that it's wrong is sort of a way of repenting, but confronting Him is a better way. Why is it you don't?
A lost soul pays no mind to the things that bear no meaning
Well.. how do i put this.. SI is.. wrong. God didnt give us a body for us to destroy. I clearly know it, but i still do it.
God would forgive those who repent.
SI = hurting myself = hurting temple of God = sin
I dont repent, so it's like.. defying God, aint it?
.___.
-confused-
Also, what I was saying is people can't tell you right from wrong. Their own feelings get in the way. No matter how wise the person may be, you can't but your trust in their judgement. It could be easily tainted
A lost soul pays no mind to the things that bear no meaning
Hi, My name is bethany
Okay, so I have been going to church all my life (16 years) as it's what my family have always done. I love it there and have made amazing friends through the church! Thing is I don't actually believe in God. I desperately want to and I so want to experience what all my friends have experienced and stuff but for me it's just not there. I have to many barriers up to do with letting people in and believing people love me and I think that's the problem. I don't get how SI fits in with the picture of a loving God. Hard to explain how I feel and I'm not quite sure what i'm asking but if anyone has been through similar feelings I would love to hear from you xxx
Hi, My name is bethany
Okay, so I have been going to church all my life (16 years) as it's what my family have always done. I love it there and have made amazing friends through the church! Thing is I don't actually believe in God. I desperately want to and I so want to experience what all my friends have experienced and stuff but for me it's just not there. I have to many barriers up to do with letting people in and believing people love me and I think that's the problem. I don't get how SI fits in with the picture of a loving God. Hard to explain how I feel and I'm not quite sure what i'm asking but if anyone has been through similar feelings I would love to hear from you xxx
Well, it doesn't exactly fit in, but here's the thing, God loves you REGARDLESS. He may not approve of SIing or other things you do, but that doesn't stop Him from wanting to love you and wanting you to talk to Him. If you haven't had that golden moment (or whatever you wanna call it) yet where you begin your new life with God, just wait and be patient. I didn't have it until about three months ago, and I'll tell you, it's worth the wait. If you truly want that moment and that connection with God, just pray about it. Just pray
A lost soul pays no mind to the things that bear no meaning
Hey guys. Seems a bit of a deep topic you're in here.
I asked one of the ladies in my church "Is SI a sin?"
She looked at her husband, who then answered "Well, I suppose it is. If God made you to SI, then he would have given you sharp objects as fingers so it was easier".
But I suppose it is a relationship type thing.
I'm so far away from God right now it's stupid. Family life is really bad, and I'm falling back into really bad habits.
I suppose you guys would understand, but my thoughts are telling me that no one cares atm, so that's why I'm far away from God.
God made me who I am, so maybe there is purpose to the SI, maybe it was to come on here, and bear witness, and be learn more about SI and OCD, etc, so that when I finally finish uni, and become a teacher, I can be a better teacher, and hopefully help children who might show a tendency toward OCD etc, unlike my useless teachers in both primary and high school, who noticed nothing, the bullying or the SI, and let me fall into depression, etc...
I think that my SI has meant that my relationship with God is better, because He protects me and helps me through the hard times and stuff like that (Google - Footprints in the Sand)
Death is one moment, and life is so many of them.
Don't look forward to the day you stop suffering, because when it comes you'll know you're dead.
~ Tennessee Williams
I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad,
The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had.
I'm actually a girl. My nickname was given by a friend and stuck ;)
The whole thing of is SI a sin... I'm not sure the classification matters a great deal, It is associated with evil spirits and pagan stuff, and yes more importantly it's not the way of life God wants for you, cos it's not best for YOU.
One of the best quotes from my pastor - de-tours in life can be used by God.
I don't think God ever wants anyone to self harm, but when we're going through and have been through what we have, he can use it.
just my 2 pence or whatever they say.
love to you all x
~~I'm FINE...on the outside~~
~~Beneath the surface lies a shattered heart and an exhausted soul, simply longing... just longing to be whole~~
i agree that self harm is a sin and that we definately need to do everything we can to stop.... however, EVERYONE sins. God knows that and is willing to forgive if you ask.
and all these troubles can turn into something good in the end.
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The magical part: They NEVER run out, so borrow some any time you want.
I agree that SH is a sin - but so is nicking stuff from the office stationery cabinet, or fiddling tax returns - yet people don't get so upset about that! It is also very often associated with illnesses or conditions like depression or PTSD, and is a way of coping. In the past, as in the contest on Mount Carmel, we see it as a pagan parctice, but for very few today would this kind of thought be involved. However, we are the temple of God, and the Holy Spirit lives in us, so we should do all we can to keep this temple in good condition - which means by not SH - but also by not stuffing it with junk food to obesity etc - yet how often do we hear that condemned? It is so easy to divide sins into 'unacceptable' and 'acceptable' sin - but sin is just that, sin. God says that if we confess our sins, He will forgive us. The question of repentance comes up. We may know that we are not yet ready to give it up cpmpletely, as we don't have other, good coping methods in place and could turn to something worse. I believe that God accepts our desire to find a better place where SH is no longer necessary as repentance.
God can bring good out of SH. THrough this I've 'met' lovely people on the internet and in real life, and am trying to write to explain to our church leaders etc. what it isn't, what it is, and the support we need. Sadly, where I worship, support, even for vdepression, is minimal to non-existent - I have more support from my super vet! I want to help leaders understand what is needed to have a 'mental health friendly' church - and that certainly doesn't mean heaping condemnation on those who are already condemning themselves.
As someone who came to SH very late in life, at the age of 58, and only harms mildly, infrequently and invisibly, as part of stress/depression, it does have the advantage of making what I say more acceptable than if I was what they would consider 'typical.' I was in contact with a church leader who harmed. Her superiors knew, but her congregation didn't. Nobody is exempt. I was amazed, at some conferences I've attended, to see how many 'normal' Christians harm - and I'm sure their congregations haven't a clue! (Please pray for X in particular - a lovely, mature Christian, but with borderline personatity disorder and possibly bipolar, who is really struggling and may be transferred to another, more acute, hospital as she is suicidal.)
Must close and feed the pet ratties - who are a great comfort to me. They have a treat this morning - a hard-boiled egg in shell per cage!
