thats the view. but God understands a lot more than we do. so if you have mental health issues - and not just that you killed. (the ability to kill another human being is insanity because of the moral mess your brain has to be. the ability to seriously hurt yourself at all makes you insane because the human body is programmed to be selfish and take care of itself first)
im a christian and i tried to kill myself. i live knowing that it was a sin, and i repented. i was in a bad place but it wasnt an excuse to try and decide when i was going to die.
i know all the non christians are gonna be "HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT??!??!?1?" but i believe it. why should i be able to choose when i die? thats not my right; thats God's right. you might not believe in him, but suicide is the most selfish thing to do.
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And if you wanna cut yourself remember that I love you
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why should i be able to choose when i die? thats not my right; thats God's right. you might not believe in him, but suicide is the most selfish thing to do.
why should i be able to choose when i die? thats not my right; thats God's right. you might not believe in him, but suicide is the most selfish thing to do.
gday. so why cant you choose when to die? i thought christianinty says that we all have free will, so im just wondering why you think that?
as for the whole suicide thing being selfish ive never really gotten that.
yes we have free will, and i can choose to do things that are wrong. all free will means is that you can physically do these things. angels do not have free will, they cannot physically disobey God. so i cant physically kill, but doesnt mean i should. its not right to start deciding when other people live and die, is it?
and suicide is selfish, because no matter how low you feel, there are people you leave behind, and the person that has to find your body etc. a man killed himself by throwing himself under a train - didnt care about the people on the platform who saw, the train driver, or the people who had to go around picking him up. plus, everybody has parents etc. as the saying goes, suicide is contagious, and one of the times i tried to kill myself was after my friend killed himself and i felt responsible.
not to be ranty to you, if it comes across that way.
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a chaplain told me that God forgives what happens as the result of a mental illness because people with mental illness are diminished in their ability to make balanced choices. or something along those lines. obviously, that's not to say go out and kill yourself 'cause it's okay - it's far from okay, because the damage that is left on Earth as a result far outweighs anything that's gonna happen to you after you die.
yes we have free will, and i can choose to do things that are wrong. all free will means is that you can physically do these things. angels do not have free will, they cannot physically disobey God. so i cant physically kill, but doesnt mean i should. its not right to start deciding when other people live and die, is it?
and suicide is selfish, because no matter how low you feel, there are people you leave behind, and the person that has to find your body etc. a man killed himself by throwing himself under a train - didnt care about the people on the platform who saw, the train driver, or the people who had to go around picking him up. plus, everybody has parents etc. as the saying goes, suicide is contagious, and one of the times i tried to kill myself was after my friend killed himself and i felt responsible.
not to be ranty to you, if it comes across that way.
hmmm. im going to skip over the free will thing, i dont want to get into a religious debate so yeah there's no point.
isnt it just as selfish for the people who have been left behind to only care about how a suicide affects them? sure jumping out in front of that train was a dick move, but thats an example of a selfish suicide, that is inconveniencing someone. yes there will always be someone left behind, someone that it will affect, but how is that different from any other decision that we make in life. just seems like labeling all suicdes selfish is an easy way for you to rationalze it, whereas suicide most often isnt a rational decision.
the problem i have with everything youve said is that you have this strict idea of 'right' and 'wrong'.
well i personally think that suicide is selfish. that doesn't mean that it happens without good reason or without a good deal of thought by the person who eventually decides to take their lives. a lot of the things that we do are selfish and that's not really a criticism.
i would imagine that people who lost someone to suicide would feel a range of emotions, some in conflict. they may feel very angry towards the person they lost but alongside that they might feel empathy and understanding. it's like, when you make plans to end your life, there's a constant battle between not wanting to live anymore and not wanting to hurt the people you leave behind. which is why some people convince themselves that their loved ones would be better off without them (which is never true).
what i'm saying is that feelings aren't black-and-white.
and there always needs to be someone to clean up the body. which may include partial decomposition, blood, vomit, urine etc. it must be horrendous for someone to enter a room and find someone in that state.
i can understand were youre coming from and i can almost agree with everything you say. basically the only thing i want to say is that actions, aswell as feelings or emotions arnt black or white.
as for person with the weird name go ahead and ask your questions.
im not going around saying "if you kill yourself youre going to hell" but i do think that killing anyone is wrong. killing yourself isnt the answer. yes it can be selfish as the one left behind, but most of the bad feelings there are guilt for not being able to help.
im not actually that strict, i just think that God gives life, you cant just go around playing God and deciding when life ends. suicide is never the answer to a bad emotional place. theres always someone who cares about you, someone thats going to be devastated, even if its just that they knew you and you died.
So if you wanna burn yourself remember that I love you
And if you wanna cut yourself remember that I love you
And if you wanna kill yourself remember that I love you
Call me up before you're dead
We can make some plans instead
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At the same time, I think it's selfish for people to want suicidal people to live so that they don't have to deal with the emotions after death. I see it as selfish on both sides. I see it as less selfish to end your own life, especially if your existence is miserable. Because not all situations are "temporary" as the saying goes. But humanity is selfish.
And I was taught that God loved all his children, and if he gave life, then everyone is his child, even the sinners, so shouldn't he love them anyway? Maybe that doesn't make sense, and I don't believe in any religion, but I was raised Catholic. The view about suicide was one of the reasons I finally had enough and left the church. And the way I see it, if we didn't ask to be born, we don't have a committment to stay as long as people expect us to.
Not trying to be argumentative, simply stating an opinion.
Yes, God loves everybody. I never said God would stop loving you =]
I do agree with euthanasia, but I don't think suicide is the answer for emotional problems. There's always someone who wants to help, there's always some way to deal with these problems. I mean, if you kill someone else (euthanasia aside) then it's wrong.
And from the Christian point of view, God gave you life, and you can't just decide you don't like life and kill yourself. I tried to, and at the time I thought there was no possible way out of the hell I was in, but looking back, I'm glad I didn't die, and I've even mostly dealt with the hell of failing to kill yourself, and of noone knowing you even tried.
So if you wanna burn yourself remember that I love you
And if you wanna cut yourself remember that I love you
And if you wanna kill yourself remember that I love you
Call me up before you're dead
We can make some plans instead
Send me an IM, I'll be your friend Kimya Dawson - Loose Lips - Juno Soundtrack
^ that. People who are in emotional pain have the same right to die as peope with physical pain, in fact there is even that debate going about wheather people should be able to kill them selfs in this way die to mental health issues.
"Its not how long a star shines, what is remembered is the brightness of the light"
because euthanasia is different. i mean, if the dog is dying of a painful disease, you put it down.
if the person is dying of a painful disease, it might be right to put them out of their misery...
my nan was dying... the hospital kept trying to keep her alive, and she was obviously in so much pain... it was wrong to watch her suffer. theres no cure for things like the physical deteriation people suffer when they have althiemers... my mum had to go to lawyers and sign documents just so the hospital would let her mum die.
So if you wanna burn yourself remember that I love you
And if you wanna cut yourself remember that I love you
And if you wanna kill yourself remember that I love you
Call me up before you're dead
We can make some plans instead
Send me an IM, I'll be your friend Kimya Dawson - Loose Lips - Juno Soundtrack
If a person really isn't living because of their psychiatric condition, because some are legitimately as severe as a physical illness, they should be allowed to choose to end their suffering. Because psychiatric illnesses cause suffering as well. And it may not be physical deterioration - but it's mental deterioration.
If a person really isn't living because of their psychiatric condition, because some are legitimately as severe as a physical illness, they should be allowed to choose to end their suffering. Because psychiatric illnesses cause suffering as well. And it may not be physical deterioration - but it's mental deterioration.
I don't really like people calling suicide selfish in a blanket way. Sure there is an element of selfishness in the action and I get that but that's the same with a lot of actions that humans take. A lot of people actually consider taking their lives because they feel that is the only way they can be unselfish. To me that's incredibly sad when a person feels that they're so much of a burden that they feel their lives should end, and I'm sure quite often that part of the reason they start to feel that way is because of their diagnosis or whatever other mental issues they're having. Personally I think that a loving God would never countenance punishing someone on account of the pain they went through in life, it's just such a contradiction. If a person doesn't think they're worth anything (which is a possible reason for someone feeling suicidal) then I don't think that is them forgetting the value of the life that God gave them, it might be just the opposite, i.e them thinking they're not good enough for this life. Suicide is so complex a phenomenon that I don't think you can pick one label to describe all suicides as it's generalising something that's so particular and personal to a person.
You cannot get through a single day without having an impact on the world around you What you do makes a difference, and you have to decide what kind of difference you wish to make.
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