hey all i came across this
in the news today and i was wondering what your reactions were
personally i think its further evidence of the need for gun control in the US. guns are often not kept safely and are too readily available
i mean, that little girl is going to grow up with the knowledge that she murdered her brother by accident.
We had a whole bunch of car, train and trolley crashes this month because of drivers texting - yet nobody wants to ban texting. The problem here is stupid parents
I totally agree. Poor girl, she's going to have to live the rest of her life with this hanging over her shoulder.
In my opinion 100% of the blame lies with the parents. The gun should not have been anywhere within reach of the children, and the children should've been taught not to 'play' with the weapon.
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Police say the children's mother was in another area of the apartment at the time of the shooting. Their father was at work.
Where were they? All in all this is just incredibly appalling and also quite terrifying.
This isn't about gun control. This is about the parents keeping their children safe.
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that is sad. very irresponsible of the parents and as a result a little boy has died and a little girl is condemned to a life of (misplaced) guilt.
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Where were they? All in all this is just incredibly appalling and also quite terrifying.
im not defending the mother as i also think this story is appalling but you can not be by your childrens sides every second of the day. for all we know she could have been sitting on the toilet or switching the washing machine on.
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We had a whole bunch of car, train and trolley crashes this month because of drivers texting - yet nobody wants to ban texting. The problem here is stupid parents
You'd be surprised, I've heard that suggested many times.
We had a whole bunch of car, train and trolley crashes this month because of drivers texting - yet nobody wants to ban texting. The problem here is stupid parents
I'd say texting while driving should be banned, yes...
I do agree with restricting the ownership of guns in america, yeah.
It's so sad. It's not the first time it happened either.
A boy of about 5 or 6 took a gun into school and shot a little girl. It was quite a few years ago now. He had just picked it up and took it to school.
I don't quite understand how parents can allow it to happen. I wouldn't dream of leaving scissors or a mug of coffee in a place my toddler could reach them. I don't even leave saucepan handles over the edge of the cooker. How does someone leave a GUN in reach of a child?! Just....how?!
I'm not a massive fan of gun's and how common place it seems to be in America. I don't really understand the need for weapons to be honest.
I don't know much about it, but it baffles me that people say they need guns for defence, because everybody else has one. If nobody has one, there's no problem then, surely?
I'm no expert on guns, and by no means to I mean to imply that the UK is safe, or gun-crime-less - but I'm fairly sure that the statistics of gun crime in the UK vs. the US show stark differences, if I remember them correctly?
I think that the gun issue is the only one whereby I feel that it's more detrimental making them legal than not. I suppose because they've got far more potential to harm than most other things.
And yeh, I also wonder why people feel the need to own a gun?
As a side point, has anybody seen either The Simpsons or Family Guy episode (I cant remember which!) when they're talking about owning guns, and the right to 'bear arms' actually meaning the right to have Bear arms on the wall? It made me chuckle.
leaving a gun though under bed kids are curious so and so's and will toddle everywhere guns high as possible prefably locked away if even needed. Guns shouldn't even be in houses tbh.
why would you have a gun under the bed, thats more level with a childs view and children hide under beds etc,it wouldve been better at the top of a wardrobe or something.
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I just don't agree with everyone jumping to conclusions that this is all the parent's fault. Accidents happen unfortunately. Terrible, unforeseen accidents.
I don't know much about it, but it baffles me that people say they need guns for defence, because everybody else has one. If nobody has one, there's no problem then, surely?
The problem is, "everybody else has one." The thing is, you can't uninvent guns, the idea is already out there as well as the product. People have them, and the best defense against a gun, is a gun. It's not possible for nobody to have one, the black market will prevail and instead of law abiding citizens owning guns and using them for protection, only criminals would get guns once they're outlawed - what do they care that it's against the law.
I'd be perfectly content if no one had a gun, but most for gun control aren't for that. They're for the people not having guns, they want their precious law enforcement and righteous government to have all the guns, which is a whole other problem in my opinion. The original intent within the constitution is not for hunting or even criminal protection like many gun advocates preach, it's for protection against tyranny. The statement reassures humans god given rights to protect themselves, guns, or arms, just happened to be the best weapon/defense at the time. Imagine during the American Revolution if the British had outlawed guns and instead kept them only for the British soldiers; I'd be speaking with a British accent.
The thing is, not everything a government does is to be seen as legitimate. The only denfese people have against an illegitimate tyrannical government is revolution, and if the government has all the guns you're kind of ****ed. Then again, the people are scared shittless now and would hardly revolt (violently) even while they're getting raped senseless. The whole idea that we have almost more guns than citizens should at least put some restraint if it ever went too far. It also prevents any kind of land invasion - not that it's likely for the U.S. given out location, but try to fight a guerilla war in America with all those guns and any army wouldn't stand a chance.
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I'm no expert on guns, and by no means to I mean to imply that the UK is safe, or gun-crime-less - but I'm fairly sure that the statistics of gun crime in the UK vs. the US show stark differences, if I remember them correctly?
I don't really know the statistics for the UK, but for within the U.S. the areas with the most gun crimes are in the areas where there is the most gun control. Once you outlaw, and get past the notion that you can undo an idea - because you can't, you realize now instead of law abiding citizens who would do good with a gun the only people to own them are criminals. What are you going to do when a criminal with a gun comes into your house to rob or even hurt you and your family? Sit back on your beliefs that he shouldn't have that gun in the first place and get killed? One of the best defenses against home theft and invasion is the fact that criminals don't know who owns a gun and who doesn't. Any house on the block in non-gun free zones (because then the criminal knows no one has a gun) could own a fire arm, and instead of getting a nice new TV, they get shot. There's as many stories of people saving people from criminals with guns as there are little kids shooting themselves. The kid stories only make the case to keep them in safer places imo. Imagine if people at Columbine or Virginia Tech were able to own guns, the students who did the massacures would get the guns anyways, but at least this way someone could have stopped them instead of been helpless. Most gun crime goes on in gun free zones.
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Originally Posted by Dreaming.
I think that the gun issue is the only one whereby I feel that it's more detrimental making them legal than not. I suppose because they've got far more potential to harm than most other things.
I understand the desire and reasoning most anti-gun people have, and to an extent I agree with it, but I think it disregards reality on the subject. Prohibition doesn't work, and instead it only makes it into a criminal enterprise where only criminals who don't care about the law will be the ones to have it.
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And yeh, I also wonder why people feel the need to own a gun?
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i agree that guns can't be uninvented. it's a shame. i know in the UK, not many people have guns. it's certainly not a normal thing to have one in your house. i've never had a gun, and i'm good. i really hope it doesn't happen that one day we will all need guns.
it's slightly like nuclear weapons. you can't uninvent those, though i wish you could. and every country has one "in defence". we should just get rid of them all.
not sure what point i'm trying to make. </another well-thought-out argument by me>
Personally, I don't agree that a gun is the best protection from a gun. Two wrongs don't make a right kind of thing. It just means 2 people get hurt/killed if they have guns. Really, a bullet proof vest is the best protection against a gun :P
I dunno. I like guns being illegal. I like that if a policeman gets shot here it's a massive ****ing big deal, whereas in the states it happens frequently enough to not be a huge massive deal, just a biggish one. I like that I don't worry here that any person anywhere can just have a gun on them at any point in time.
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