As for the speed limits - 60mph is too fast in most areas, especially on country roads, where people seem to want to hit the limit, instead of just it being a limit. 20mph is just a little slow everywhere though? There are already 20mph zones in York, which works well - around schools and such - but around all built-up areas?!
I believe that if you don't get up to the speed limit in your driving test, it counts as a fault...
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I believe that if you don't get up to the speed limit in your driving test, it counts as a fault...
I was told to not go under 5 less that the speed limit, ie over 25 in a 30 area and 55 in a 60 area. Unless obviously it isn't possible because of traffic queues.
With the finding your own way somewhere to you have to drive from the test centre then meet a test person at the certain place? Or just they tell you to go somewhere and come back in 15mins?
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From what i've heard, they don't give you a location, the instructor will tell you to pull over and imagine you'd just stopped to ask someone for directions. You're then told to take "the second left, third right and first right after that" or something similar. That way it's designed to see how you drive while having other things (namely remembering those directions) on your mind. It's a lot more pressure and it's not something I'm looking forward to when I ever get round to learning to drive but do think it's a good idea.
As for the speed limits, I think it's rediculous. There's a road near me that's a fantastic wide road nowhere near anywhere but because a couple of residential roads back onto it, it's a 30. There is no reason at all that road shouldn't be a 40 and if these proposals come in and it becomes a 20 limit, that would just be rediculous. I could understand it as an idea on roads with schools. However once again it is ill thought out. The only time I can see it being justified is around 9am and 3pm when children would be going to and from school. However, at these times it's impossible to drive at even 20. The roads are all clogged up by mothers dropping off their little darlings in their school run tanks. Therefore, whatever speed limit you put up just becomes academic.
There are 17 million roads on the roads in Britain, it is inevitable that on occasions, some of these will collide and people will die. It is unfortunate but to aim to reduce all these road deaths to zero. The graph of people dying on the roads each year is bottoming out. Despite lowered speed limits, speed cameras, campaigns on television and everything, it is fast reaching or has already reached a state where there is very little anyone can do to reduce the number of deaths further. Therefore reducing the speed limits further will not save any lives and just piss everyone off and make everyone late.
I believe that if you don't get up to the speed limit in your driving test, it counts as a fault...
I was taught to drive at an acceptable speed in the area. So, if it was 30, and the roads were relatively clear, to drive at 30. If the speed limit was 30 with a lot of parked cars, you'd get faulted for driving at 30.
And in terms of 60, I was always taught that that is a limit, not an aim. If it's a wide, open road, 60 is fine, but if it's bendy and a thinner road, that 60 would again get you a fault.
I don't know, I took my test about this time last year, so it could've changed since then.
I think that a lot of country roads with a national speed limit are completely unsuitable for driving at anywhere near 60mph and I would agree with that limit being lowered - however, having to drive at 20mph instead of thirty seems a bit ridiculous. That's cutting your speed by a third, which means your journey is going to take a whole lot longer. I think that 30mph gives pedestrians plenty of time to look and make sure there's nothing coming so that they can cross the road safely.
tbh , i think driving tests should test the drivers ability. Not their directional skills.
In a normal enviroment there is sat navs , maps , etc..
As someone who started learning to drive in this area just after i moved here. I woulden't know where a certain road is if i was asked..
There's enough pressue on learners as it is.. I dont think trying to remember where a place is under the already stressful test conditions is going to help anyone or test your ability as a driver anymore!..
As for the speed limits.. i think 60 is to fast for some of the roads round here with the national speed limit.. so i agree with the above it should be lowered...
But 20mph.. is slow, rush hour would last more like 2/3!..
Pedestrians should just USE the damn crossings!.. theres enough of them around , or at least pay attention when crossing the road rather than being on the phone/texting/Ipod on full. It doesnt take 10seconds to stop look and cross the road.. I don't think slowing everyone down is going to make ANY difference to the people who dont pay attention anways..
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tbh , i think driving tests should test the drivers ability. Not their directional skills.
In a normal enviroment there is sat navs , maps , etc..
How do expect to squint at a map if you're driving on your own? And not everyone can afford a sat nav. It's really not that hard to get from one town to another. Most places have fairly decent signposts. I find it harder finding actual roads than getting to the town/city/village itself. Learning how to read signposts, and doing a bit of research of the area you're travelling to is a FAR more realistic scenario. What's the point in knowing how to drive if you can't get from A to B on your own?
I dunno, sat navs have definately dropped in price since I passed my test (a whole 5 years ago). I've only had the luxury of using one once, and it was dreadful (but I did encounter the Hemel Hempstead magic roundabout). It is possible to get around even in strange places without one.
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At the end of the day you should be able to navigate your way around using road signs and road markings, otherwise you'll come unstuck when you're driving independently. I think the proposed measure to have learners navigate for themselves is an excellent idea. From what I know of it (from a friend who is a driving instructor), it's really inspired from the original test (follow the road you believe is straight ahead, unless informed otherwise) and it will test competency of lane positioning more accurately than it's tested now. In turn that should improve your confidence and competence on the road, which has got to be a good thing.
Lowering speed limits doesn't mean people will stick to them, unless they are enforced with cameras.
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Nope, but around schools I think it'd be a better idea.
They can be enforced, and not everybody sees a speed limit and decides not to listen to it - a vast number of drivers do stick to speed limits, especially in built up areas/around school.
Since I started driving, coming up to over two years ago, I have never used a sat nav. I do get lost occasionally but all in all I do ok, and my sense of direction is crap.
I don't think they should really test that sort of thing in the driving test though, people are nervous enough and directions etc are just something that gets easier with practise once driving around.
One of my friends already had this on her test, and had to get to Swindon. She was fine, until she got to a roundabout that had three exits labelled 'Swindon' - she just kept driving round and round!
Her instructor ended up telling her which route to go down, though, and she didn't lose any marks.
If people already break the speed limit what makes them think by lowering it people will go slower.
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Well, firstly, not everybody does break the speed limit. The vast majority of people out there do adhere, at least in parts, to the limits that are already there.
Secondly, lowering the speed limit in areas such as around schools raises awareness that there is a school around, so even if you don't stick to the speed limit, you are at least aware and more concious of the fact that there are young children running about.
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