Im not involved in the argument that appears to be occuring.. just my opinion in the original question.
When you leave full time education (or )at 18 . legally you can fend for yourself. you parents Legally dont have to keep you!.. so its their love for you that makes them.Give something back.. + when you leave education or turn 16..(i think might be 18) if they get chold benifit it stops.. so you paying will make up for it.
If your not working and in education at college or w.e.. then its fair enough i suppose. but part time/ full time job you should WANT to help out with things not have to.
So do whatever it takes
‘Cause you can’t rewind a moment in this life
Let nothin’ stand in your way
Cause the hands of time are never on your side
A few years ago, my mum would quite often say she'd give me £10 for phone credit, or I could have some money to go to the cinema and bus fare etc.
I had pocket money also, and she bought my clothes for me.
Of course at that age I expected my mum to buy me clothes because otherwise I would have had none, but I also expected not to be given money every single time I asked for it.
Isn’t it funny how day by day nothing changes but when you look back, everything is different…
you once called your brain a hard drive, well say hello to the virus.
One of these days I'd be interested just what word you're leaving out in your posts. And I don't get the last reference, tbh - like I said, not from the UK.
How do you mean jobs and employment are different?
Employment is where you work for a wage which is then deducted according to tax, NI and any other additional reductions.
Jobs are simple, friendly activities for neighbours & friends which are paid in cash and are not deducted.
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So to clarify my above ramble - silver spoon, I think, would be if I kicked up a fuss if my parents didn't hand over the money.
Not quite.
Silver Spoon - Have many luxuries without earning them on their own.
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you didnt have to let your parents let you live rent free.
WHAT THE ****?! I HAPPILY PAY 50% OF MY WAGES (PLUS ADVANCE SO I'M NEVER IN DEBT) AND WOULD HAPPILY PAY MORE IF MY FATHER WANTED ME TOO. I DO NOT AND HAVE NOT SINCE 16 EVER LIVED RENT ****ING FREE. GET IT ****ING RIGHT.
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if you read down the paragraph, i said during th eholidays.
...and you're still asking for justification whether or not to earn a wage, holiday or not. I did not need justification. I saw it as a responsibility as an young adult to pay rent and learn to budget.
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Thats the disadvantage you have of taking people's words out of context liek you do.
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I will be able to get myself through three years of uni on the money I currently have, and not leave with a single penny of debt.
So you've saved up roughly £30,000? Somehow I doubt that. But not forgetting my offshore account with one trillion US dollars enough to fund my university fees too!
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Now, lets get this thread back on topic as its about payign rent not how much you hate universities.
I never switched the subject, in fact I actually warned other users from hijacking the thread.
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does that mean i can trawl through all your posts, and change anny oppinion I dont agree with?
WHAT THE ****?! I HAPPILY PAY 50% OF MY WAGES (PLUS ADVANCE SO I'M NEVER IN DEBT) AND WOULD HAPPILY PAY MORE IF MY FATHER WANTED ME TOO. I DO NOT AND HAVE NOT SINCE 16 EVER LIVED RENT ****ING FREE. GET IT ****ING RIGHT.
dude, calm down.
again, takeing my owrds out of context has changed the meaning. i said 'you tried to tell us...' then used 'you' in the plural, meaning everyone else you've attacked in this thread.
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you're still asking for justification whether
I said absolutly nothing about justification. the question is simply do people think that you should pay rent during uni holidays. I mentioned nothing about having a Job or not.
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So you've saved up roughly £30,000? Somehow I doubt that
I dont particularly want to post how much money I have saved up on a public internet site. However, if you say uni costs you (thats the plural you i was takling about earlier) £6,000 (which is the average, and its less for me as I will be studying in wlaes), then I need 18,000. So yes, I can put myself through three years on Uni. Baring in mind I worked from ages 12-15, and have been saving up all the money i have from age..9? I think i was. then it is quite plausable. Furthermore, some of the money I have I inherited when my grandmother died.
"I would be almighty in my own world of art, even if I had to paint my pictures with my wet tongue on the dusty floor of my cell." -Picasso
"No, painting is not done to decorate apartments. It is an instrument of war." - Picasso
'I have scars becuase I have a past; but they, like my past, do not define my future'
My parents saved a substantial amount of money for me from the day i was born, it can be used for either university or to get myself on the property later, i'll be using that money to get myself a house when i complete my degree. (as i add to it every week).
I want the education i'll pay for it as far as i'm concerned, although my parents always wanted me to go to uni, first in the family i get kudos.
Although i've never paid rent at home i've always paid back what i've borrowed.
& now if my parents come to visit they pay for shopping when they're here (upto £100 worth of food) & buy me treats & will give me money if i am struggling (so i try not to speak to them about money as they'd put the money in my bank account if they knew how little i survive on.)
Then again my mother would prefer her to go without something & me have a little extra money than her be able to get another tattoo or something. Also the government expect my mother to be helping with my uni costs as they are quite substantial earners (despite the fact my dad could lose his job because of the recession :S)
I am as some would say, spoilt, & I will admit that, I have never wanted for anything, although i paid for my computer & the expensive things i own (tv, camera(s), bed, sound system), but material goods do not mean anything & neither does having a lot of money. I have always been expected to help out around the house & I do, even when i visit if i'm bored i'll clean the house, i've spent many evenings cleaning my fathers motorbike.
My mother will quite happily send me £100 in the post which will come from savings she has for a tattoo or a new piece of equipment for the motobikes, but in all honesty I'd prefer her to come visit instead of send money, but sometimes she can't because of work.
So I've probably had 'the silver spoon' as it's been said, but i still don't believe material goods & money are everything.
Originally Posted by TheHeroYouHate im sorry but that is ridiculous...surely if someone offers something to you that would be beneficial, you should take it, unless it affects the person who is offering in a negative way.
WHAT? Talk about greedy. Of course the time gained by travel is beneficial, but more importantly is the ability to say, no thanks despite actually wanting to say yes please. I mean with my dodgy hand I could get an easy shift pattern and lifts to and from work, but I don't take them. I just get on and work harder or adapt to the problems I have.
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Originally Posted by TheHeroYouHate I'm 16 and i dont work, dont pay anything to my parents so i guess im selfish.
You said it, I only approve of your comment.
I don't think that taking what is offered to you is greedy, more like sensible.
Yes, this thread is about peoples opinions but it seems you've got a bit too caught up in proving how much of a saint you are, rather than talking objectively.Yes everyone has mentioned their personal situation but as far as i'm aware no one is saying 'you are wrong, because this is what I WOULD DO'
i've been living on my own since i was 16 ..
i think thats its perfectly fair that once someone hits the age of 16 . they should be expected to contribute towards the house hold .
and also not expect money off parents .
i feel that once someone is of working age then they should pay for themselves ..
idk sorry if what i wrote bothers people .
but yea ..
Silver Spoon - Have many luxuries without earning them on their own.
(I won't quote everything, it'd be a repetitive read by now)
Hmm, I wouldn't say jobs are necessary relatively small-scale activities as you mentioned. That might add to the confusion about terminology - glad that's cleared up.
Still, though. I don't think it's good to think in terms of either/or. So getting any kind of support from parents past the age of 16 amounts to being fed with a silver spoon? I think not.
I can think of quite a few people to which the expression applies. Having the parents pay for their drivers licence + brand new car for their 18th birthday and regarding that as a perfectly normal thing to do, that, I think, qualifies, for example. However, I don't exactly live a life in luxury - but giving a detailed account is certainly not needed here. I get the financial support I need, and my parents have decided that this is alright for them - I don't see anything wrong with that.
I have no respect for people who abuse parents' generosity, but as many of the above stories show - it depends on the individual circumstances.
Face your life
Its pain, its pleasure
Leave no path untaken
I don't think that taking what is offered to you is greedy, more like sensible.
You're at a pub. You've designated driver and already had two pints. A good mate offers to buy you a double vodka. You're saying it's sensible to say, yes I'll take that?
Just because something is being offered to you does not mean you should take it.
Thats a ridiculous comparison.Completely different situation.
There are times to stay put, and what you want will come to you.
But there are times to go out into the world and find such a thing for yourself.
I aint no abacus but you can count on me.
You're at a pub. You've designated driver and already had two pints. A good mate offers to buy you a double vodka. You're saying it's sensible to say, yes I'll take that?
Just because something is being offered to you does not mean you should take it.
You're in a pub, You're the designated driver and have two pints. On the way home you crash and kill the passenger. DONT DRINK AT ALL. Your comparison made no sense in the fact you shouldnt drink at all when driving no matter what because people have different tolerances and and it made no sense because it has nothing to do with paying your parents rent when working.
When I first left school and got a job at 16 I was in foster care and wasn't allowed to give any money to the foster parents.
at 17 I returned to my Mothers and I started paying her. I was then getting about £65 a week. She asked for £25 for general rent and then half of all bills. Even each call on the phone bill was worked out and I paid for every penny I owed.
I was often left with about £10 a week. I had no social life as I needed that money to travel to work, buy toiletries etc.
I was actually better off when I moved out and into a bedsit with bills included!
And I got a better job.
I had to have a part time job when at Mums as I was also her carer so only worked evenings.
I think it is totally resonable to pay rent. But a sensible amount and not be ripped off! I mean Mum needed me to keep an eye on her but her dla never went towards the care she required.She was getting about £190 a week in benefits so wasn't skint and my money made her better off.
Paying my part of the bills is fine but she over charged in some ways too.
I want to kiss the bottom of the ocean before I burst through its surface into the sunlight, otherwise I will always be wondering about what was left unseen at the bottom
i'm tired of chasing my dreams. i'm just gonna ask where they're going, and hook up with them later.
I'm not discussing situation, I'm discussing logic. The logic of "If it's being offered you should take it' is not always the right nor only option available, although some users won't understand what the hell I am on about.
if it's offered, though, and it does nothing to damage you or the person offering, surely it makes logical sense to take it?
i do fully feel that once you reach a certain age, you have a responsibility not only to your parents but to yourself to make steps towards financial independence. but say, you've worked really hard to buy stuff to furnish your new flat and you've scrimped and saved to pay rent and everything for months, then your parents offer to buy you a TV, say, (i'm pulling a random example out of the air) and they could afford it financially - surely you'd be a bit daft not to take it?
I'm not going to quote but I will say, I felt bad because when someone says something to me and it's not nice, I feel bad. That's just how I am. I did chores at home. I did all the washing (house of six people), i looked after (combed, brushed, cleaned out kitty litter and backyard) the pets. I vaccumed (BIG house). I also cleaned my sisters room. I also cooked a fair bit to as well as cleaning the kitchen every day. I didn't just take money and do nothing. I didn't have a job. SO WHAT! I was lucky.
Laura, I would like my kids to be brought up and have what they need. With the way things cost these days, we can't live on one wage. And I will be out of work for a certain amount of time when we choose to have kids. I will not say no to my parents offer becasue it will give my children a better life. I also want to go back to study while my children are at a young age becasue I can do it by correspondance and then when they're in school, I will be able to go back to work. I want to be a stay at home. I always have wanted to be one. That said, my parents wont be paying for everything! Not even MOST of everything! They will be helping out with a few important payments a month. And i'm sure they will buy their grandchildren stuff. That's what grandparents do and my mum has already told me how excited she is! SHe LOVES buying my nephew clothes and she's already bought a stack of stuff for my, to be born soon, niece. To refuse that would be not only rude and ungrateful but extremely hurtful. I see it as support, not a silver spoon. I will be studying my ASS off when I can as well as raising a child. On top of that I STILL do a lot of volunteer work. But that's a little while away yet. At the moment i'm living rent free with my grandmother. And it is the best thing ever. Becasue it's giving us an oppurtnity to save for a house. I will never apologise for the opportunities that I have been given. Except that I am sorry that everyone doesn't have those same opportunities. I never would have gotten the marks I got in school if I was working a part time job. On top of my sporting committments and extra curricular activitis and home work... I didn't have time for much of anything.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
if it's offered, though, and it does nothing to damage you or the person offering, surely it makes logical sense to take it?
But it does damage both parties. No offer has ever been all-win, there is always a downside to every offer. As in your example, the damage is the cost of the TV, License and electricity to run it.
certainly, financially that would be my responsibility to pay for, if i were in the specific situation of the TV. so i would still accept the TV and then only run it if i could afford to. i wouldn't turn the TV down though. the cost of the TV would be the choice of my parents' - and they would be responsible for making the choice to give it to me.
I'm not discussing situation, I'm discussing logic. The logic of "If it's being offered you should take it' is not always the right nor only option available, although some users won't understand what the hell I am on about.
It's actually laughable that you're still trying to defend that comparison.
We're talking about logic, about sensibility and rationality. Drinking whilst being the designated driver isn't logical, nor sensible.
If somebody is offering you something that is beneficial to you, which doesn't put them in a negative position. Drinking whilst being the designated driver isn't beneficial to you. So the two scenarios aren't comparable.
This quote sums up this whole current youth generation and why I completely despise them.
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I don't see how. ALOT of the kids I know are working becasue their parents can't afford to support them. You generalise to such an extent that you must hate everybody who doesn't agree with you. Just becasue you are good with your finances and never even take a lift offer doesn't make you better. If people are getting help from their parents, that doesn't make them evil lazy people. It makes them lucky and, yes, privaliged.
I don't think if kids aren't studying then they should be not doing anything. But, if they're are in full time study, or unable to work due to illness (physical or mental) then I understand that. The deal with my parents was that whilst in full time study they would support us (me and my 3 siblings) but once study was over, we would get a job and support ourselves.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
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