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Old 22-10-2008, 02:57 AM   #1
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Pro-life or pro-choice?

I don't know if this goes here or if there's been a thread that has asked before, but I was wondering,

Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

People at my school got into big deals, arguments, and disagreements about this today. (Kids had tape with pro-life on their lips and it all started there.) I won't say my own thoughts on this, but I just wanted to see what everyone else thought.

So pro-life or pro-choice?

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Old 22-10-2008, 03:02 AM   #2
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I think that every women should have the choice to choose what is right for her. But at the same time I don't think it's right to end a life. If you were sexually abused and feel you need to have an abortion then in that situation it's "okay". It's when people go around haveing unprotected sex and are not resposible about it what so ever and the girl decides to get the abortion, then it's not right.
It all depends on the situation.
I'm completely on the fence. I've volunteered in an NICU and have seen the effects of some bad choices by parents who did not want the child/did some stupid things while pregnant because they "didn't care".
I don't know...



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Old 22-10-2008, 03:12 AM   #3
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I support every woman's right to choose what is right for her - however, from a personal standpoint, I believe that abortion is too freely available whilst good sex education is not. And the list of reasons I might seek an abortion is particularly small and restricted to the usual suspects...

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Old 22-10-2008, 03:28 AM   #4
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I agree that it does depend. To make it short, like if its rape, thats one thing, but if your just doing it then its another.

I don't want to go into it to much, cause I may not shut up.

But I'm pro-choice.

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Old 22-10-2008, 03:39 AM   #5
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Old 22-10-2008, 05:12 AM   #6
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Old 22-10-2008, 07:51 AM   #7
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Pro-choice. Whatever my person views on actually having an abortion, the reality is that women are going to have them whether their legal or not, and it's a hell of a lot safer if it's legal.

And I think there's a third category, which I can only describe as "anti-choice." That would be the position that abortion should be allowed "depending on the circumstances" (meaning the circumstances of conception, not the medical issues). While I don't agree with it, I can respect the pro-life position that a fetus is a person, and killing it is wrong under any circumstances (or with the exception of medical conditions where the fetus is going to die anyway and will otherwise kill the mother in the process). But then there are the people who argue that abortion is wrong except in the case of rape or incest. Now, this leaves two possibilities: either abortion is murder, and it's somehow justified to murder a child for the crimes of his father, or abortion is not murder, and forcing women to carry an unwanted fetus to full term is somehow a "punishment" for whatever "irresponsible" and/or "immoral" actions led to the pregnancy, even though the male parent escapes without consequence.



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Old 22-10-2008, 07:54 AM   #8
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Ideally, I'd be pro-life, but I know it doesn't really work like that in reality. I'll come back to this later, when I have time to write my essay of an answer!

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Old 22-10-2008, 09:02 AM   #9
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I'm pro-life.

Part of my reasoning being that so many babies are now born premature and survive at or even before the abortion cut off limit. I myself was born at 30 weeks, not so long after the 'cut off point'.
I also believe, as a result of exploration of my body memories, that we're alive right from conception, albeit in very primitive form for a while.

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Old 22-10-2008, 09:04 AM   #10
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Old 22-10-2008, 09:08 AM   #11
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Pro-choice. However, i think it should be lowered to 18-20weeks.

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Old 22-10-2008, 10:21 AM   #12
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Well, the limit is 24 weeks for social reasons but there's no limit for medical reasons.

Personally, i think i'm leaning towards pro-life. However, that's unrealistic in society today, so the important factors i think are that women are having safe terminations (rather than dangerous back street ones) but that the limit should be lowered; babies can survive at 24 weeks and as such, i think terminations have to take place (in a social context) at a time where the foetus wouldn't be able to live outside the uterus anyway.

I do also think that pregnancy after rape/incest is different to the "normal" social termination, because i think they come within medical realms; the situation of conception being traumatic to the extent that - for some women - pregnancy could/would result in a massive decline in mental stability/health and possible self harm/attempted suicide that would cause suffering and would be incrediably detrimental to the health of the foetus.



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Old 22-10-2008, 11:42 AM   #13
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Pro choice. Every woman deserves the chance to make that choice for herself.


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Old 22-10-2008, 12:21 PM   #14
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I hate the phrase 'pro-life'. It implies that those who are pro-choice are actually pro-death.

I think that every woman should have the right to choose. I think that there are too many done, but that's not because they're too freely accessible, but rather because we have such a poor level of sex ed.

At the end of the day, whether you're pro-life or pro-choice, there will still be people who have abortions. Rather have them in medical care there and then, than some back-street abortion clinic (not the mention the drain on the NHS for repairing those back-street abortions when they go wrong).

There is a theory that suggests that those who are raped and become pregnant as a result do go on to have a good relationship with their child, if they decide to keep it - but I feel very strongly that that isn't a good enough piece of evidence for a pro-life argument. It could very easily be that they were just more stable, and dealt with the rape, when it happened, better.

I also think that whether or not you personally believe in pro-life or pro-choice, that it is your duty as a respectful citizen, to allow people to make that choice themselves. Which is why I am pro-choice. I could probably never, ever have an abortion myself, but, I'm not going to pressurise others into agreeing with my personal moral concept. It's an independent decision, and whilst you can express your opinions, at the end of the day, it's not you that's got to live with that child if they do choose life.
And to argue that it's their responsibility whether or not they become pregnant, and so they should live with the consequence, is pretty ridiculous, too, in my opinion. There are just too many variables. What if the condom splits, what if you were sick earlier in the day, what if you accidentally missed the pill, or you took it too late, what if you were perfectly safe, anyway - both of those are only, like, 99% effective. So what, you expect people to double-dutch for the rest of their lives?

I just feel that, at the end of the day, it's a womans choice. The man should be involved in the process too, but whatever, it's the personal choice. And I feel that nobody should feel that they have the right to impose or change that view.

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Old 22-10-2008, 01:45 PM   #15
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I hate the phrase 'pro-life'. It implies that those who are pro-choice are actually pro-death.
And I'm not a big fan of the phrase 'pro-choice' since it implies that those of us who are against abortion don't believe in choice. When in reality we simply don't believe that abortion should be one of those choices since whatever 'rights' the mother may have cannot outweigh the right that the unborn child has to life.

I'm pro-life.

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Old 22-10-2008, 02:05 PM   #16
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Pro choice. However I hate the way anyone is pro-choice is seen to be supporting baby-killing or whatever. I would describe my personal stance as pro-choice, but not pro-abortion. It needs to be an option, but it should be an option that isn't used very frequently. I also think early abortions (the pill ones) are infinitely preferable to the later ones, as at that point it really is just a bunch of cells that is being removed. I support the bill the guvernment are currently trying to pass to allow pill abortions to be more widely available from GP clinics and the like. Hopefully this would reduce the number of late term abortions, which is where the grey line between viable if given birth too or not is.

However, it would be great if the number of abortions performed was reduced, it's a traumatic procedure that can damage both the mother's physical and mental health.

I'd also like to ask those who are pro-life, wat is your views on the morning after pill? According to the Catholic Church it actually is a form of abortion. But are you killing a life at 3 days old? Similarly where would you draw the line between what is abortion and what isn't if you agree with the morning after pill, what if a girl has an abortion at 2 weeks pregnant? Where is the line drawn? Are you also anti-contraception?, because according to the church that too is a form of abortion as conception is avoided.





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Old 22-10-2008, 02:18 PM   #17
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The morning after pill only stops the sperm and the egg meeting, it doesn't abort a foetus/zygote.

I'm pro-choice. Not pro-abortion.




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Old 22-10-2008, 02:53 PM   #18
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I'd also like to ask those who are pro-life, wat is your views on the morning after pill? According to the Catholic Church it actually is a form of abortion.
Yes, I would agree with that. Life begins at conception, therefore ending the life at any point after conception is wrong. Queen Crabbit - that's not always the case. If the morning after pill isn't taken in time for that to happen it prevents the fertilised egg from implanting in the uterus. At that point conception has occurred and it is a life (it's hard to deny it's a life, and a human one at that - whether it's a person and/or has rights, is, of course, another matter).

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Actually, no one (not even th Church!) says that contraception is a form of abortion, because that quite simply isn't true by definition. The Church does say it's wrong, yes, but not because it's abortion, which it isn't, so it's not entirely part of the same debate. One could quite easily say that it's permissable to prevent conception from happening but once it has it's wrong to destroy a life that's already been created and thus has an inalienable right to life.

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Old 22-10-2008, 05:29 PM   #20
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Pro choice- women should be allowed to make their own choices as to what they want to do. Abortion should be there as an option but I also think that the cut off point for abortion should be lowered. Better sex ed should also be there and maybe that would reduce at least some of the need for abortions.



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