ok, i dont see in the chat rules anything that says no swearing. if there is such a rule in the list of chat rules that i have missed, someone should tell me. also though, chat automatically censors out a lot of words. why the fu** would someone get banned for using words that dont even appear in the chat window?
this seems fu**ed up to me.
As far as i am aware you do not ghet banned for swearing, i think it is just s kick if excessive swearing is used and i think this may be changing in the future.
if someone is using swearing to be rude/ offensive towards other members then i think that it is a decent enough reason to be banned/kicked.This chat doesnt have stupid words censored out and the censored words should be kept to a minimum in chat.Even if a word is blocked a lot of members can work out what it is.
I find it frustrating when people purposely get round the censor =/
As I'm sure you are aware - the old chat way dying a horrible death and we wanted to change it to something that worked. The old chat didn't allow swearing either - so what do you feel is the difference between then and now?
With regards to the swearing kick - I'm pretty sure it is something like swearing 10 times in a row before you get kicked and you are warned before that. Functions like these are being discussed for the usability [as Jane has mentioned]. Regardless of the outcome, I personally don't see the need for excessive swearing when we are on a website of varying ages and when we try to desperately to accommodate everyone.
Also do be aware that RYL rules cover being "generally offensive, unpleasant" and unnecessary and excessive swearing would fall under this category.
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Finally - you must not be generally offensive, unpleasant, argumentative, rude, abusive or bullying. Ganging up on members, driving them out of chat or off threads, or just being angry and mean to anyone on RYL without good reason, is very damaging to the stability of support and recovery within the community and must be avoided at all times. If there is a member that you find difficult to tolerate for whatever reason, it is your responsibility to keep yourself safe and take measures to avoid losing your temper - please refrain from retaliating, and use the ignore features where needed.
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this seems fu**ed up to me.
Whilst swearing can sometimes have it's place, you have demonstrated a time when it isn't needed and something we try and account for across the site.
If you have any further concerns I'm sure more chat mods will reply here or you can email us [chatmods@recoveryourlife.com] or Harley [harley@recoveryourlife.com] and we'll do our best to help you out.
Chloe
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can i just say maybe it would be a good idea to add swearing to that list on the rules, just to made it a bit clearer.
" my precious, precious child, I love you and I would never, never leave you during your times of trials and suffering. When you see only one set of footprints it was then that I carried you" you were carried out of are lifes into the next and when its my time to leave this life I know i will be carried into the next life with you.
I wish i had my world complete again.
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im not saying the censor is not a give away but it would stop a thread like this being made.
some people might not find swearing offensive.
" my precious, precious child, I love you and I would never, never leave you during your times of trials and suffering. When you see only one set of footprints it was then that I carried you" you were carried out of are lifes into the next and when its my time to leave this life I know i will be carried into the next life with you.
I wish i had my world complete again.
'Can we protend that airplanes in the night sky are like shooting stars, i could really use a wish right now' BoB
I think the Chat Mods have made their position more than clear in this thread and I really don't see the cause for further debate.
The fact is, swearing is offensive to a significant proportion of individuals, regardless of how comfortable the minority may be with it. What is more, if RYL were riddled with such language, it could not be perceived as a positive trait for the website to posses. This is why the rules exist and also why the Mods work so hard to enforce the *spirit* of them in as fair a way as possible.
I'm sure the Chat Mods will amend the rules so as to be more explicit in this area if it is deemed really necessary. Sadly debates such as these, where members seem determined to find out the absolute limit of acceptable RYL conduct will only force the Mods to create draconian site rules designed point out what should already be plainly obvious to members.
Please members, let's have some common sense shown here.
idk, I think society kind of teaches us to expect people to state the obvious when it comes to rules as such. I mean, we live in a world full of warnings like "product will be hot after heating" on a microwave dinner or "may cause drowsiness" on a box of sleeping pills, cause otherwise they might get sued for not having warned people. People aren't really used to having to rely on common sense...
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It's common knowledge within our society that there are certain words which are deemed taboo. Whether one individual personally finds it offensive or not matters not, as they should be well aware of the fact certain words are offensive to other people. I guess when it comes down to it, it's more about how your actions affect other people.
I think the Chat Mods have made their position more than clear in this thread and I really don't see the cause for further debate.
The fact is, swearing is offensive to a significant proportion of individuals, regardless of how comfortable the minority may be with it. What is more, if RYL were riddled with such language, it could not be perceived as a positive trait for the website to posses. This is why the rules exist and also why the Mods work so hard to enforce the *spirit* of them in as fair a way as possible.
I'm sure the Chat Mods will amend the rules so as to be more explicit in this area if it is deemed really necessary. Sadly debates such as these, where members seem determined to find out the absolute limit of acceptable RYL conduct will only force the Mods to create draconian site rules designed point out what should already be plainly obvious to members.
Please members, let's have some common sense shown here.
why are people arguing over this its simple swearing is against the rules if you wanna swear do it where you are and people here cant hear you i no i swear alot but i wudnt try to get round a filter cos of it im not that desperate the MODs have made it very clear its against the rules so just drop the convo now
idk, I think society kind of teaches us to expect people to state the obvious when it comes to rules as such. I mean, we live in a world full of warnings like "product will be hot after heating" on a microwave dinner or "may cause drowsiness" on a box of sleeping pills, cause otherwise they might get sued for not having warned people. People aren't really used to having to rely on common sense...
It's a shame that this is what you think member of RYL need - the obvious explained to them.
I don't have much more to add to James' post really - which is appreciated.
Chloe x
We don't get given patience but the opportunity to be patient.
Courage isn't handed to us, but we are given opportunities to be courageous.
Why is it that the Mod team gets the wrap for constantly having too many rules, and being too strict - then get MORE, when we try to conglomerate common sense rules into another to make sure we have the option to act if needed, but so that nobody gets banned?
So we should put swearing into the rules? And ban someone coming on and getting upset and swearing once? if we make a rule - how would YOU define excessive swearing? (other than clearly not the same as the staff do)
Swearing once, we you are upset and it is in context is not something we expect or want to ban, and certainly do not wish to punish people for.
Going 'why the f**k do you we have a censor, thats f*iing stupid IS offensive, and is exactly the sort of behaviour that is going to convince we to shut the censor up more to punish those who have the attitude of "well I want to swear so sod the site, i'll use an acccent and swear anyway, because I know better. Unnessesary use of words that can offend shows a complete dispresect and disregard for anyone who might feel differently to your own liberal views - and you don't care if they are your age, a parent, teacher, journalist from a newspaper or an 11 girl.
It is really, really simple. RYL can CHOOSE to be either a responsible place where respect and decency is upheld, or it can have the attitude that we don't give a damn about members, sensitive, offendable or otherwise.
I really honestly find it amazing that a few people can say it is unfair for their wishes to be taken at less value than the wishes of the rest of the community and those who run it.
You actually want RYL to give you the right to do what you want, when that thing you want negatively affects far more people than a non censored RYL full of course words would?
If it is wanted, we will most certainly put in a rule that specifically says swearing, getting around the censors or attempting to is against the rules - but we don't make rules we don't uphold... so are you really sure this is actually what you want?
Honestly, would you send your children to a school that allowed and encouraged swearing, over one that tried to bring kids up properly? If you were a teacher and wanted to give a child advice - would you send them to a website full of swear words, or one that took a difference approach? If you were a journalist and you were writing and article on "The responsibility of Internet Communities", something that is very hot in the news with this suicide stuff - would you have the same opinions about a site without censors and one that does? If you were a parent who had lost a child who was a member of this site - would you be more likely to accuse the site if it took a lax attitude rather than a responsible one? These are the things I have to think about when I decide such things - not just 'whether i'd like to be able to say what I want'
I should just set the censor to swap all swear words for "I don't have a large enough vocabulary" and see how long people think swearing makes them look clever then.
There is no swear word in existance that can't be swapped for other words - except of course for the 'offence factor' - so seriously, stop complaining and go learn some new words. There are only 5 of the most crude swear words censored at all! If you need to use those 5 words more than ten times in a row, then you seriously need to learn some new words.
I am sorry to be harsh and whatever in this thread - but far too often at RYL I see a few people who have their own hard and fast rules and attitude wanting to force those views on everyone else, regardless of what anyone else might want and what is best for the overall community.
Realistically, we will probably remove the default setting in chat for booting people for swearing ten times in chat - mainly because of PM's.
However I find it very likely we might then replace it with a seperate rule as it is pointed out that we are currently 'missing' one - which will mean anyone trying to get around the censors will be getting infraction points, and could therefore lose all access to RYL for doing it, rather than the maximum punishment of a 30 minute kick as we have now.
I trust these two outcomes are exactly what you were looking for since they have been asked for?
