I have been to hospital over the past year about 4 times now saying I want to commit suicide/ have attempted to. I get told to see the crisis team who arrange counselling. Which takes about 6 months to even start.
Anyway enough about that I do NOT want to be sectioned at all. But a few people have been saying to me over the past few days my behavior is getting irrational and stuff and I might get sectioned.
What does it actually take to be sectioned. (I am not asking because I want to be at all im just curious).
Thanks.
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Im too old to believe
All these childish stories
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Happiness can be found in the darkest of places.
If only one remembers to to turn on the light.
*hugs* I'm sorry things have been so tough for you.
I'm not entirely sure of what it takes to be sectioned, everywhere has different processes and procedures. But I know one big factor would be if you were a danger to yourself or others. I understand that the idea of being sectioned can be scary and hospital is the last place you'd want to be, but if you are unwell and need some support maybe hospital is the best place to be, at least you can get the support and help you need sooner than six months. I've been admitted into psych wards two times and while I found the thought of it scary and didn't want to be there, it was really the best place for me to get the help and support I needed... I'm not saying you should be sectioned but just wanted to let you know it can be a positive thing for your health. Alternatively if you are feeling you aren't doing so well at the moment it may be worth it to talk to your GP or contact a help line, maybe they can get you the help you need sooner. Take care and I wish you all the best xo
Each person get sectioned for individual reasons.
Mostly because they are a danger to the self or other or because they are refusing treatment that is though could help them.
As long as you comply with treatment and your not psychotic it should be ok. Many people have hospital admission with out sectioned even being part of it.
All the best x
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why don't you suggest to go in they offer it that you free to go when you want ask yourself what would rather have 3-4 days in a unit/ward or 28+days?
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I know what it's like to want to die. How it hurts to smile. How you try to fit in but you can't. How you hurt yourself on the outside to try to kill the thing on the inside. I tried groups, didn't work out just made my depression a lot worse.
You're often sectioned if you're deemed to be making decisions (general and about your care) that are detrimental to your health.
I suppose the best thing to do would be to ask (calmly, although it's tough) for your nurse/doctor/HC professional to explain WHY they think it's going to happen.
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I was sectioned because it was deemed that I was putting myself in danger by my constant severe self harming and I couldn't keep myself safe and kept trying to discharge myself from hospital.
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The technical thing is being a danger to yourself or others but to be honest I think nowadays it has to be extreme and imminent as there isn't the budget for people to be in hospital but also because hospital can be a very vicous negative cycle.
If you feel that your behavious is worsening than try and get help before it comes to a point that you get sectioned etc.
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I was once sectioned because of self-neglect. I wasn't sleeping/eating/drinking/washing etc. I wasn't doing it consciously; it just wasn't something I thought about. I was depressed and had some other stuff going on, so they determined me unwell enough to detain. I don't think I was self-harming or suicidal at the time.
I've been sectioned for being off the wall. I was once being bizarre because of various things and my Mum couldn't cope with me. There was a bit of self-neglect going on, in that my Mum was having to prompt everything and even then I wasn't doing things. It was left a while because I was safeish at home, but eventually it got the the point that it wasn't suitable for me to be at home because of carer stress. I ended up in a secure unit that time because I was very resistant to being taken away.
I've been sectioned a few other times for similar things. It's mostly been self-neglect that's caused issues for the mental health team.
I've self-harmed quite seriously in the past (badly enough to need multiple skin grafts), but during those periods I have never come close to being in hospital. It's strange how things work.
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ive been sectioned a number of times and ive been told its when you are a risk to yourself or the general public or are refusing treatment that could basically save your life eg someone with an eating disorder needing to be tube fed. it does take a lot for them to section you they don't do it often, if they say that they are going to section you then say you will go into hospital voluntary then there is less of a chance that they will section you.
sorry your feeling bad try and stay strong
xx
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Thank you everyone for your kind replies. I DO think im a danger to myself and others. But that might just be because of the state im in at the minute. All I want to do is sleep. I do eat but I feel eating makes me look ok and I know im not okay so it s a struggle to eat. I haven't washed for like a week. Just because I can't be assed. I don't know whats wrong with me. The crisis team are aload off my arse because they said the only way I can get better is by putting 100% in. Which I know is true. BUT how can I when I have no motivation to do anything to help myself because I feel like I don't deserve it?
Sorry for the ramble but I just don't know were or who to turn to next.
I have got a counceller at YPAS. And I was meant to go to the doctors and get back on my anti depressants as I come of them as I was drinking. But that was on Friday and I didnt end up going because id rather stay in bed.
I HATE feeling like this. HATE IT. I just want to be happy and better.
Im too tired to listen.
Im too old to believe
All these childish stories
There is no such thing as Faith&Trust&Pixiedust
Happiness can be found in the darkest of places.
If only one remembers to to turn on the light.
Note:Travelers with mental illnesses can travel visa free under the VWP provided that their condition does not render them a danger to themselves or others. They may wish to carry letter from their doctor to that effect to facilitate their entry into the United States.
We do not recommend that travelers who have been arrested at anytime attempt to travel visa free under the Visa Waiver Program(VWP); they are required to apply for visas before traveling. If the arrest resulted in a conviction, the individual may require a special restricted visa in order to travel. The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act does not apply to United States visa law. Therefore, even travelers with a spent conviction are not eligible to travel visa free; they must apply for B-1 or B-2 visas. If they attempt to travel under the VWP, they may be refused entry into the United States.
So does that mean someone arrested under the Mental Health Act is not able to use the VWP?
I have done a search on Australian's sites and Canadian sites but cannot find anything relevant. Perhaps someone with more knowledge could intervene.
If you are planning on residing in these countries indefinitely then is the advise to declare everything correct?
Last edited by synapse321 : 30-06-2013 at 02:49 PM.
Re arrests and convictions for the usa. As long as you werent charged or cautioned or went to court ie it was a sec 136 or something you can go the doctors letter saying youre safe to travel. If you have any criminal record (oe something that would show up on a crb, so a caution or anything) then you have to go for the applying for a visa before booking anything and go to the american embassy for an interview.
Even if you get awarded a visa to travel to the usa, be aware that you can get turned away upon landing in the states even *with* a visa.
This only applies to those with criminal cautions and convictions.
(Guess who wanted to go to america?!).
Last time I filled in a visa waiver form it asked the following:
Visa Waiver Program
The first question on document I-94W for those visiting the U.S. on the Visa Waiver Program asks:
Have you ever been arrested or convicted for an offense or crime involving moral turpitude or a violation related to a controled substance; or been arrested or convicted for two or more offenses for which the aggregate sentence to confinement was five years or more; or been controled substance trafficker; or are you seeking entry to engage in criminal or immoral activities?
Little guidance is provided to the traveler as to which offenses are included in the definition; however the Web site of the U.S. embassy in London states that a visa is required for anyone who has ever been arrested or convicted for any offense.[8] This appears to be at variance with the question on form I-94W and information supplied by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, as there are many offenses that are not considered to involve moral turpitude
But now you have to fill in your personal details online 72 hours before departure at https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/ so your application goes through prior extra scrutiny before departure.
Well I went to the doctors today and they said it could be a possibility of me getting sectioned but it depends if my mood worsens. At the minute im stable enough not to need to be sectioned. And it probably isn't the right place for me to be at the minute. I spoke with the doctor and they basically said that I might either have a personality disorder or bi polar. I was actually quite shocked as I thought I was suffering from depression. Anyway I got told that basically I had to go the doctors every week for a couple of weeks for them to get a rough idea of were my head is at and then they'll send them notes of to the mental health team who will then do an assessment and see if they can diagnose me with something. It seems silly but I know there is something wrong. I've felt like this on and off since I was 15 and been self harming for about 4 years which isn't exactly normal. So I hope they do diagnose me with something because it will make me feel better in the sense that I know im not going mad and there is something wrong with me and its not just that im going mad.
Im too tired to listen.
Im too old to believe
All these childish stories
There is no such thing as Faith&Trust&Pixiedust
Happiness can be found in the darkest of places.
If only one remembers to to turn on the light.
Last time I filled in a visa waiver form it asked the following:
Visa Waiver Program
The first question on document I-94W for those visiting the U.S. on the Visa Waiver Program asks:
Have you ever been arrested or convicted for an offense or crime involving moral turpitude or a violation related to a controled substance; or been arrested or convicted for two or more offenses for which the aggregate sentence to confinement was five years or more; or been controled substance trafficker; or are you seeking entry to engage in criminal or immoral activities?
Little guidance is provided to the traveler as to which offenses are included in the definition; however the Web site of the U.S. embassy in London states that a visa is required for anyone who has ever been arrested or convicted for any offense.[8] This appears to be at variance with the question on form I-94W and information supplied by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, as there are many offenses that are not considered to involve moral turpitude
But now you have to fill in your personal details online 72 hours before departure at https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/ so your application goes through prior extra scrutiny before departure.
But this is all about being arrested for a crime anyway. A section 2 or 3 (or any other non-police initiated section) isn't an arrest and being mentally ill isn't a crime. I'm not sure about 135s/6s (the police ones) but I would doubt even they count as they are not arresting but detaining under the MHA.
Sorry, I didn't mean to drag this off point just concerned about people developing unnecessary worries.
OP I hope that your team are able to help you get a bit better so you don't need admission but if it does happen it is not the end of the world - it might even help. Just try to comply, I know it's hard when you have little motivation they are just trying to help.
Always seem to get things just that little bit wrong.
"don't wish, don't start, wishing only wounds the heart"
I know I honestly do but I feel like its impossible when I have little/no motivation to do anything. But then I can't really say that because I walked to my brothers today which is were I am now and that took motivation. But then again I had someone with me. But I don't want to be asking people all the time to come the doctors with me as im 19 nearly 20 and should be able to so this by myself. I just don't know anymore. I know I need to be attending all these appointments but I feel like there is just to many of them and im feeling overwhelmed by them at the minute. But at the same time I know I need them.
Im too tired to listen.
Im too old to believe
All these childish stories
There is no such thing as Faith&Trust&Pixiedust
Happiness can be found in the darkest of places.
If only one remembers to to turn on the light.
But this is all about being arrested for a crime anyway. A section 2 or 3 (or any other non-police initiated section) isn't an arrest and being mentally ill isn't a crime. I'm not sure about 135s/6s (the police ones) but I would doubt even they count as they are not arresting but detaining under the MHA.
Sorry, I didn't mean to drag this off point just concerned about people developing unnecessary worries.
OP I hope that your team are able to help you get a bit better so you don't need admission but if it does happen it is not the end of the world - it might even help. Just try to comply, I know it's hard when you have little motivation they are just trying to help.
You are probably right. It all depends on what they class as "moral turpitude for the US as they are no clear guidelines. There is something on wikipedia.
