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Old 04-03-2013, 08:22 PM   #1
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It says on the DVLA website that you have to declare certain conditions, but then say you only need to declare them if they affect your driving. I'm confused. There are about 5 labelled conditions that I have that they say I have to declare, which is a joke. I really want to start lessons and pass my test but I know if something happens due to these conditions my insurance would be invalid, is this right?

So, do I have to declare these conditions or not? If they don't affect my driving, as far as I am concerned, then am I fine to drive?

I have asked my GP if I'm fit to drive and he said yes, but I think he forgot that I do randomly pass out at times, although I'm sure this wouldn't happen whilst I was driving.



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Old 04-03-2013, 08:27 PM   #2
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i dont think it would be wise to base it on 'you are sure it wouldnt happen whilst driving'.
i dont know the cause or anything, but it seems like too much of a risk.

i had to declare my mental health problems, all it takes is the dvla writing a letter asking the doctor treating your illness asking if you are ok to drive.
im still waiting to hear back though.

but yeah, you have to declare EVERYTHING.



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Old 04-03-2013, 08:32 PM   #3
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Thanks,

yeah, hmm, you're probably right, but I just want to be able to drive damn it.

I can't see a way around it if I declare everything, which admittedly is the point, but looking into the future I would love to be able to drive eventually.



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Old 04-03-2013, 08:37 PM   #4
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i understand lovely.

i was refused a provisional when i was 17 on the grounds of mental health, and have been waiting for a decision this time for frickin ages!

but it's something like a £1,000 fine if you dont declare everything
not worth it!

i do get the wanting to drive though, i cant wait, but its better to be patient and safe :)



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Old 04-03-2013, 08:41 PM   #5
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Thanks again,

Very true. I don't want to go randomly BPD and drive myself into a wall or something :/ or likewise pass out and drive myself into a wall...not cool.



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Old 04-03-2013, 08:44 PM   #6
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exactly!

maybe it's worth discussing it with your doctor or relevant worker?
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Old 04-03-2013, 08:52 PM   #7
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You need to declare your mental health problems because they are severe; you are needing to be under secondary services, have had inpatient admissions etc over the last year.

I would make an appointment with your consultant, ask their opinion, and based on that, then you can either make your application knowing they will support it, or look towards driving in the future when things are better [use it as recovery motivation?].

If you were to make an application, and be honest [which you must be] your consultant will be contacted and be asked if you are at risk of doing things that could put yourself or other road users at risk, or if you have a condition that would impair your ability to drive safely. If you have already discussed this and their opinion with them beforehand, you will know what they would say, if/when DVLA ask them.

I don't know what your fitness to drive would be, but because of what I do know about you, you will need to see your consultant and have their opinion of the situation since it is them who will be asked when the time comes.

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Old 04-03-2013, 09:02 PM   #8
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OK thanks guys, I'll cancel the driving lesson I booked then (*sobs*) and contact the relevant people.

Also, if you've lost the paper part of your provisional is the only way to get another one to get a whole new license? Because you need both parts to complete your theory?



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it doesn't mean you'll never drive lovely, it's just getting all the relevant boxes ticked first :)

no idea about the provisional thing though



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Old 04-03-2013, 10:07 PM   #10
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If you lose part of a driving license, you need to contact the DVLA about gaining the other part of it.

But like everyone has said, keep something from them and they find out you will be fined £1000, happened to one of my friends who kept her MS from the DVLA.



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Old 05-03-2013, 11:05 AM   #11
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^ I know the form, here it is.... This form is specific to mental health problems I believe, you may need another for physical health problems, I don't know.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum.../dg_066650.pdf

This is a guidance page for what conditions you would likely have to declare.
https://www.gov.uk/health-conditions-and-driving

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Old 05-03-2013, 11:23 PM   #12
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I'm in the same boat.
You have to fill in the application, with your £50.
They will send you a medical form for you to fill in and return. If they say you can't have a licence, they return your £50

EDIT: just read properley and that's not really relevant but mer

Also, DVLA states which you need to tell them about and which you only need to inform them of if they affect your driving - your gp can tell you if they will affect driving

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Old 06-03-2013, 11:33 AM   #13
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I would tell the DVLA everything,
I was also worried that i wouldnt get my driving licence, Been diagnosed with BPD i thought it would stop me from getting my licence but the DLVA wrote to my psychiatrist who said i was fit enough to drive so i go my licence even though i thought i wudnt get it.



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Old 06-03-2013, 09:01 PM   #14
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You should declaire them but if the gp doesn't believe they will effect your driving then he/she will just sign the form saying your fit to drive and you will be covered on your insurance should you have an accident as you have been cleared medically.

By the sounds of if your gp is fine with it so starting your lessons should be fine.



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Old 09-03-2013, 07:03 PM   #15
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My report to dvla said I was fit to drive and bpd didn't effect my driving, but still lost my licence due to hospital admissions! Been waiting to hear back now for months but they are months behind processing applications! I informed dvla of my pd on advise from doc in hospital who said I had to declare my meds! If I read the site first i never would have informed them cos my doc said I am fit to drive! Maybe wrong but feel really strongly on this subject, just be prepared for worst,

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Old 09-03-2013, 10:19 PM   #16
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Thanks for the replies.

I've sent off the forms. I think it's 6 months you have to be free from blackout (last passed out in December) and I've got no idea how long you have to be out of hospital for but my last admission was only a few weeks ago so I haven't got a hope there either. My GP said I'm fit to drive so I've got no idea what they'll say.



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Old 10-03-2013, 09:46 AM   #17
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I'm in the same boat.
You have to fill in the application, with your £50.
They will send you a medical form for you to fill in and return. If they say you can't have a licence, they return your £50

EDIT: just read properley and that's not really relevant but mer

Also, DVLA states which you need to tell them about and which you only need to inform them of if they affect your driving - your gp can tell you if they will affect driving
That is a new one one me of having to give £50. Is that for a renewal or a brand new licence?

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Old 10-03-2013, 10:51 AM   #18
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Firstly, depends on the reason behind the black out. Fainting and "black out" can be different. Fainting alone is not a reason to stop someone having a licence.

Secondly the amount of hospital admission and the last time you had one is irrelevant. It's more the reason behind why you had the admission, it's triggers, your capacity and type of illness.
Like bpd is often though of as fine for driving because in general thoes with PDs have more capacity (not always just generally). Where as schizophrenia and bipolar are the to 2 big psych disorders which are often associated with lack of capacity.
SOmetime with the DVLA it's a lot about what diagnosis you hold. Which is a bit silly but that's just the rules.
For example the DVLA say that your only unfit to drive if you have bipolar or schizophrenia and have had a significant episode in the last 3 months. That is a rule. Where as if you have a PD whether you are fit to drive is left to be decided by your gp and if she thinks you are managing enough to drive.


If you don't think your fit to drive then don't. No one is forcing you. However if you do want to drive and your gp is willing to sign you off medically I think that you should go for it rather than trying to work out why.

Forgive me for saying this, I do correct me if I'm wrong, but it does sound a little like your upset that your gp thinks your fit. Almost like you wanted her to deem you unfit. Which I find confusing since you said you wanted to drive so her appoval of that should be a good thing right? Because it means even if anything does happen your covered by insurance.

But like I say it you think you are that unsafe then simply don't drive.



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Not at all, its a good thing my gp says im fit to drive, I want to be able to drive.



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Old 13-03-2013, 05:10 AM   #20
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Your GP's note should hold a lot of weight.

My mum lost her licence for a brain injury but that was a bit different. I think you'll probably be okay if you can prove you've been stable and are safe to drive.



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