Hypothetically, if someone were to commit suicide and leave behind a list of names of all the people who'd bullied, lied to, screwed over, or abandoned that person over the years and claim the list is "The People Responsible For My Death," would you consider that wrong? What if their last request was to make sure every name on the list is contacted and told that they are responsible for the person's death? Is that wrong? I mean, it would teach them a lesson for how they treated that person.
What if a person doesn't plan to actually commit suicide yet wishes to tell everyone on that list that they will and try to make them feel guilty about it?
Is it wrong to tell people you're going to commit suicide and it's partially their fault even if you don't do it?
I know this is a dark topic. I just want some opinions on this. Again, it's all hypothetical.
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that is incredibly manipulative. i think it would be wrong. it is almost vengeful...
i can tell that you're feeling very hurt and abandoned, and you are entitled to those feelings, but it isn't ok to take them out on others in the way that you're describing
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But I know if I could do it over
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Whether it be hypothetical or not,my response is the same as passedexpectations- it would be manipulative and very cruel.
I know bullying and other forms of abuse are damaging but that would be stooping to a whole new level.
My others thoughts are that if this was going through someone's mind,then maybe they need to seek professional help to try work on how the past had led to this point and also how to go about getting to a place where they can kind of do something to show bullies etc that even though they made life a misery,you didn't give in?
like in a "stick two fingers up to you" way.i don't know if that made much sense.
What Im getting at is,I've found the best way to make them feel bad is by staying alive and doing your best at living-also when bumping into them,saying hi,usually freaks them out,even if they still scare you,that usually scares them more(or so I've found with some people).
If this is hypothetic, and a made up scenario, why is it in serious discussion and advice where it is pushing threads made by members that are genuinely suicidal off the first page?
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But I know if I could do it over
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I'm not going to kill myself if that's what you're asking.
At the same time, I would love to see those who caused my suffering to suffer themselves and know what they've done to me, especially those who've abandoned me. It seems like at least once a month another person abandons me. At least the bullies are up front about how they feel about me.
Still Harder
Getting up, getting dressed, livin’ with this regret
But I know if I could do it over
I would trade give away all the words that I saved in my heart
That I left unspoken
... it'd be the worst way to get this revenge. What about the people who care about you? They'll feel all sorts of guilt for not being able to save you. Theoretically, if these people have bullied you what are the chances that your death would have such an impact on them? They might feel guilty, but it would be nothing compared to the people who love and care about you. Is it worth hurting the people who love you on the chance it's going to hurt those who hurt you?
Also, the title of the list itself 'The people responsible for my death' is unfortunately problematic. Nobody is really responsible for suicide except the person who commits it. Not denying that they have caused you pain but what you do with that pain is your choice. Suicide doesn't have to be the answer; what about getting support?
As for hypothetically telling people you're going to commit suicide when you're not going to - is it purely to get that revenge? I agree that it is manipulative given you're not going to commit suicide.
I honestly think that if someone, hypothetically, has been so hurt by what has gone on that they would either a) commit suicide as revenge or b) lie about the intention to commit suicide as revenge, than they'd need some sort of professional help to deal with the terrible acts that cause the need for revenge. The feelings of being hurt are real and they need to be dealt with.. but they can be moved on from in much more productive ways than this, in a way that will allow you to live a much fuller life.
I know this is hypothetical so the way I have worded this may come across as ignoring that, but it was the easiest way to type it. I guess though I am interested in why you would ask this?
hmmm, hypothetically, if you were dead, you wouldnt see these people feel guilty or see their suffering.. it seems that killing yourself so that you can make others suffer is kind of like cutting of your nose to spite your face. You would gain no satisfaction from it. In fact, you would gain nothing at all because you would be worm food.
And if you made out like you were dead/planning on killing yourself when you werent, that would surely do very little to better peoples opinions of you/make them wish they had stayed in your life.
Perhaps in order to see these people regret their actions, you would be better just to move on with your life and carry on as if their presence (or lack there of) makes no difference to you at all.
See, the importance of the list would be to not only who's on it but who is not on it. Friends and family will know that they are NOT the ones who drove that person to commit suicide plus they now have a list of people who did.
While I do not believe someone should or would kill themselves for the sole purpose of revenge, I see nothing wrong with leading others to believe that may be the case (again, I'm not talking family or friends here) and that they may be part to blame. People need to learn how their actions affect others and that they can potentially have deadly consequences. Is it manipulative as hell? Absolutely, but you know what? That's the world we live in.
Still Harder
Getting up, getting dressed, livin’ with this regret
But I know if I could do it over
I would trade give away all the words that I saved in my heart
That I left unspoken
dont you think that someone that made out like they were going to kill themselves just to make people feel guilty would come across as nothing more than an attention seeking prick?
and what would they gain? I for one would not think to myself 'oh, that person just made me think that they were killing themselves because of me, i must be their friend again'... the reasons why i had walked out of their life in the first place wouldnt have changed. If anything, such actions would make me glad not to be involved in the persons dramas.
surely if a person has already abandoned another, the person has nothing to lose by just telling them how they feel?
Okay, well frankly I wouldn't care if my name wasn't on the list of people who 'drove' that person to suicide. If that person was still someone I cared about I would still feel responsible that they didn't care about me enough to tell me what was going on, or let me help them, or for me to notice they needed my help. But that is just my experience of this, but it's an experience I've seen a lot of people go through.
And I agree with Charlie above that the best way to get revenge is to get help and move on with (not yours but the hypothetical person's) life. If hypothetical-you mislead them and told them you were going to kill yourself because of what they'd done...
... what sort of outcome would hypothetical-you want from that?
Most people just assume anyone who utters the word "suicide" is faking it anyway unless they're led to believe otherwise. I'm sure they'd be mad if they were led to believe it was real than found out it wasn't. I guess it just matters how they felt when they really believed the person was going to die and it was partially their fault.
Again, this is something I would never do but I would love to see some people's reactions if they found out they were partially responsible for my death.
The reason I asked all this is because someone sort of did something like this to me once. At the time I thought it was terrible but I now I understand the motivation behind it. I would never do it but sometimes I wish I could. I almost wish I could pull a "Tom Sawyer" but let all my family and friends (those who haven't abandoned me yet) know I'm alive while the others deal with the consequences of my "death" and knowing how they contributed to it.
Still Harder
Getting up, getting dressed, livin’ with this regret
But I know if I could do it over
I would trade give away all the words that I saved in my heart
That I left unspoken
Hey, I'm sorry about this thread. I really am. I hope it didn't bother anybody too much. I don't know why I have such dark thoughts sometimes :(
Still Harder
Getting up, getting dressed, livin’ with this regret
But I know if I could do it over
I would trade give away all the words that I saved in my heart
That I left unspoken
I guess I've just been suicidal for a while and now I just want revenge on everyone who has made me what I am. I want to see them cry. I want to see them suffer. I want to get inside their heads. I want them to question everything about themselves. Most of all, I just want them to learn a lesson.
Call me "vengeful" all you want but nobody here is in any position to judge me.
I mentioned earlier I knew someone who did something similar. 8 years ago some body I knew (acquaintance not friend) was leaving school but didn't tell anyone. He just started a rumor he'd killed himself then disappeared. For weeks, people went back and forth as to whether or not this guy was alive. At the time I hated him for it but now I understand where he was coming from. I thought about doing something similar. Judging by the reactions I've gotten in this thread, it sounds like a terrible idea. So, I won't do it.
I do want to take revenge though but I'll think of another way. Maybe I'll just confront the people. I mean, what do I have to lose at this point?!
I hope that sheds a little light on to my messed up mind.
Still Harder
Getting up, getting dressed, livin’ with this regret
But I know if I could do it over
I would trade give away all the words that I saved in my heart
That I left unspoken
Hypothetically, if someone were to commit suicide and leave behind a list of names of all the people who'd bullied, lied to, screwed over, or abandoned that person over the years and claim the list is "The People Responsible For My Death," would you consider that wrong? What if their last request was to make sure every name on the list is contacted and told that they are responsible for the person's death? Is that wrong? I mean, it would teach them a lesson for how they treated that person.
What if a person doesn't plan to actually commit suicide yet wishes to tell everyone on that list that they will and try to make them feel guilty about it?
Is it wrong to tell people you're going to commit suicide and it's partially their fault even if you don't do it?
I know this is a dark topic. I just want some opinions on this. Again, it's all hypothetical.
I actually think that this is really honest. I think wanting some kind of revenge is almost natural if you have been through abuse or something similar. But I do think it is misguided. By making someone else feel guilty you are only affecting how they feel, not yourself. So it wouldn't really work. I suppose you might feel better knowing that they 'understood' apart from the fact you would be dead. You can't ever change the way someone else thinks or feels. You can only help yourself.
I actually think that this is really honest. I think wanting some kind of revenge is almost natural if you have been through abuse or something similar. But I do think it is misguided. By making someone else feel guilty you are only affecting how they feel, not yourself. So it wouldn't really work. I suppose you might feel better knowing that they 'understood' apart from the fact you would be dead. You can't ever change the way someone else thinks or feels. You can only help yourself.
I'm glad somebody understands.
Still Harder
Getting up, getting dressed, livin’ with this regret
But I know if I could do it over
I would trade give away all the words that I saved in my heart
That I left unspoken
