In all fairness to the chef, it took several years for me to accept my diabetes diagnosis (well 10). Initially, I was totally unable to see a correlation between my lifestyle choices. Even as a health care provider working with people who had severe complication due to diabetes, it just didn't click.
Medication for me was controlled by where I lived, so the chef advocating a medication to me is fine once she is compliant and it works. However, I do think that "if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem". And now that we have the research that proves that certain foods are not ideal for diabetes prevention or those diagnosed with the ailment- it is not enough to just put alternative recipes on your website.
Fighting diabetes is an entire lifestyle engagement, and I would like to know what she thinks "controlled" is. Diabetes puts persons at higher risks for stroke, heart attacks etc., and a person just becomes a walking bomb with time.
I think that she has more responsibility being a television personality, and needs to be clear on the information she is putting out.
Last edited by bitomato : 18-01-2012 at 12:38 AM.
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Fighting diabetes is an entire lifestyle engagement, and I would like to know what she thinks "controlled" is. Diabetes puts persons at higher risks for stroke, heart attacks etc., and a person just becomes a walking bomb with time.
I haven't read the article yet because this ^ caught my attention.
Aren't you aware that diabetes can be controlled and that a person with it can live a healthy life just like someone who doesn't have it? Or at least that's the case for the insulin dependent sort. My mum has diabetes so I can say from second hand experience that it isn't really a 'fight' at all. It's just something you learn to adapt to, and to be fair it's quite simple. Especially considering a person can choose how much insulin they have to suit what they eat, rather than having to change what they eat to fit the measure of insulin. You can also take the insulin just before a meal at any time, rather than have your mealtimes dictated to you by the condition. Treatment for diabetes has improved so much over the last 15 years or so, it's quite phenomenal. It's not all about avoiding sweets and sugar anymore! :)
You've made it all sound rather dramatic. My mum has had the condition 43 years and shows no signs of becoming a walking bomb anytime soon. :P
Stop thinking about what I want, what he wants, what your parents want. What do you want?
I haven't read the article yet because this ^ caught my attention.
Aren't you aware that diabetes can be controlled and that a person with it can live a healthy life just like someone who doesn't have it? Or at least that's the case for the insulin dependent sort. My mum has diabetes so I can say from second hand experience that it isn't really a 'fight' at all. It's just something you learn to adapt to, and to be fair it's quite simple. Especially considering a person can choose how much insulin they have to suit what they eat, rather than having to change what they eat to fit the measure of insulin. You can also take the insulin just before a meal at any time, rather than have your mealtimes dictated to you by the condition. Treatment for diabetes has improved so much over the last 15 years or so, it's quite phenomenal. It's not all about avoiding sweets and sugar anymore! :)
You've made it all sound rather dramatic. My mum has had the condition 43 years and shows no signs of becoming a walking bomb anytime soon. :P
I can only speak for NIDDIM (non insulin dependent). I do not think that a person can continue eating whatever they want and living a sedentary lifestyle as a diabetic. Obesity has a role to play, and I do not know if your mum made any lifestyle changes to control her diabetes or is solely dependant on insulin. I don't take insulin and I am trying to avoid this.
I personally do not think it is "easy" for a person with a MH diagnosis and literature has actually come out suggesting that early intervention in terms of diet and exercise will assist persons with MH illness not developing diabetes.
My issue with Chef Deen is that as an obese/ overweight person promoting foods high in fat etc., and claiming that all a person needs to do is take meds is setting people up for a shock. Diabetics do not heal as fast, and they are at higher risk for things like amputations, blindness and strokes and heart failure. Lifestyle changes should be made. I admit I don't know about tweaking insulin meds- but personally I don't ever want to have to go on it.
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“It’s time to lead the third revolution, which is not to say we want to be at the top of the world, but to say we want to change the world. Because the way the world has been designed by men is not working. It’s not working for women, it’s not working for men,
it’s not working for polar bears.” Arianna Huffington 2014
I can only speak for NIDDIM (non insulin dependent). I do not think that a person can continue eating whatever they want and living a sedentary lifestyle as a diabetic. Obesity has a role to play, and I do not know if your mum made any lifestyle changes to control her diabetes or is solely dependant on insulin. I don't take insulin and I am trying to avoid this.
I personally do not think it is "easy" for a person with a MH diagnosis and literature has actually come out suggesting that early intervention in terms of diet and exercise will assist persons with MH illness not developing diabetes.
My issue with Chef Deen is that as an obese/ overweight person promoting foods high in fat etc., and claiming that all a person needs to do is take meds is setting people up for a shock. Diabetics do not heal as fast, and things like amputations, blindness and strokes and heart failure is higher risk. Lifestyle changes should be made. I admit I don't know about tweaking insulin meds- but personally I don't ever want to have to go on it.
Well she's solely dependent on insulin because she has type 1 diabetes, and she got it in early childhood due to it having a hereditary pattern of effecting every other generation in our family. Obesity didn't play a part in it, it didn't happen through a lack of eating healthily or anything like that so it's not quite the same as your situation. She does have long term depression and that hasn't effected the simplicity of the condition's management. But I guess it's just a case of different people coping (or not coping) when these things happen.
Type 2 diabetes is a completely different ball-game, it's usually brought on by the person's unhealthy lifestyle in the first place and involves them making diet and exercise improvements that have just as much influence on the management of the condition, as the tablets taken. You wouldn't be expected to tweak the medication to anything other than what's been prescribed. With an insulin dependent, because their pancreas is completely dormant it's within their control to dictate how much insulin they need depending on what they eat because the injections are taking complete place of the insulin production of the pancreas. And the pancreas wouldn't shoot out a set amount of insulin each time, it obviously will only produce what the body needs to help break down what has been ingested.
Personally I think that the flexibility of that is better than tablets, once a person gets over the issue they may have with needles. It's really not much of a big deal once it's been implemented into the routine for a substantial amount of time, it just becomes as natural as any other fundamental part of the day.
Stop thinking about what I want, what he wants, what your parents want. What do you want?
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You say toe- may- toe, I say toe- mah- toe:
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“It’s time to lead the third revolution, which is not to say we want to be at the top of the world, but to say we want to change the world. Because the way the world has been designed by men is not working. It’s not working for women, it’s not working for men,
it’s not working for polar bears.” Arianna Huffington 2014
Not sure if this is sarcastic or not (if it is, then it was unnecessary / pointless - as you could have just ignored my post if you've taken issue with it.)
But you're welcome, either way :)
It's genuinely been a pleasure to have the opportunity to type about a subject that's both close to home and that I'm confidently knowledgeable about.
I don't actually have much interest in the articles as such, so will leave the discussion and leave it to anyone else to pass their comment on that.
Stop thinking about what I want, what he wants, what your parents want. What do you want?
I have type 2 diabetis and it led to a huge lifestyle change for me as far as eating goes but I still need medication for it. It was caused by too much weight and ironically the diabetes was made worse by mental health medication!
However even people who are diagnosed with type 1 diabetis often also have to make lifestyle changes. I remember a ten year old being diagnosed and even she had to make changes. It's not as simple as just increasing the amount of insulin you take to counteract what you eat but if you have grown up with it I can see how you might think that, Fry. Sometimes medication has to be tweaked with type 2 as well because your pancreas can gradually produce less insulin. That's why i and everyone else with it gets regular blood tests. On the other hand some people manage to reduce their sugar intake to a level their pancreas can cope with and no longer need the medication. A lot of what happens in type 2 depends both on the person and what the pancreas itself decides to do. Some people with type 2 end up on insulin but I hope not to be one of them. I know numbers are not allowed so I won't say how much but I lost loads of weight just by eating more healthily ;>) -- but I still need the medication 'cos of my lazy pancreas.
Not sure if this is sarcastic or not (if it is, then it was unnecessary / pointless - as you could have just ignored my post if you've taken issue with it.)
But you're welcome, either way :)
It's genuinely been a pleasure to have the opportunity to type about a subject that's both close to home and that I'm confidently knowledgeable about.
I don't actually have much interest in the articles as such, so will leave the discussion and leave it to anyone else to pass their comment on that.
A little confused by this reaction, but I suppose it is the nature of this site, where we are all more passionate and sensitive than most. In my defense, I don't know much about Type 1 and I would have agreed with Gofeen for the most part. However, I was genuinely grateful for the information from Fry. From my experience, my mood and sugars overlap. Therefore, with low mood I may eat more carbs to give a false high; or high sugars may impact really badly on my sense of wellness and therefore my mood. Being on medication and not insulin, I have had a lifelong struggle with being compliant, and with my doctor telling me insulin was looming I had to get my act together. Along with my MH meds, I always feel like a medicine cabinet- and it is embarrassing because I cannot do anything spontaneous including going to dinner- I have to have my meds.
Because I know it is possible to reverse diabetes to some extent I am fighting what seems like a losing battle. But I want to enjoy some level of health.
My awareness of my risk for diabetes is probably why it was caught early, and where I live, it is not treated very well because of our healthcare system and because the symptoms are so subtle. I have met several people with diabetic complications who are active, but confuse symptoms for other things- bad footwear, sleeping badly- and never took regular care of themselves including blood testing. Diet is a really big deal. By the time people are treated it is because they are at the end of the journey and need amputation, are blind or have suffered a stroke, kidney damage- leading to dialysis- and are basically in a holding pattern.
Forgive me if I repeat myself, but I think that the chef has a responsibility to herself and her audience to review what she advocates.
Last edited by bitomato : 21-01-2012 at 10:17 PM.
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You say toe- may- toe, I say toe- mah- toe:
Let's call the whole thing- red
“It’s time to lead the third revolution, which is not to say we want to be at the top of the world, but to say we want to change the world. Because the way the world has been designed by men is not working. It’s not working for women, it’s not working for men,
it’s not working for polar bears.” Arianna Huffington 2014
Just looking at her website/ Food Network.
Her son, Bobby has a show called "Not my Mama's Meals" where he reworks Paula Deen's recipes into more healthy cuisine.
Not finding anything about health or calories on Paula's recipes though.
~Happy tomatoes together we will be~
You say toe- may- toe, I say toe- mah- toe:
Let's call the whole thing- red
“It’s time to lead the third revolution, which is not to say we want to be at the top of the world, but to say we want to change the world. Because the way the world has been designed by men is not working. It’s not working for women, it’s not working for men,
it’s not working for polar bears.” Arianna Huffington 2014
