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Old 27-11-2011, 09:07 PM   #1
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Prepare for riots in euro collapse

If you are planning trips in Europe next year you should plan keeping financial situation in mind. Banks in Europe might close for days.

"Prepare for riots in euro collapse, Foreign Office warns

British embassies in the eurozone have been told to draw up plans to help British expats through the collapse of the single currency, amid new fears for Italy and Spain.

As the Italian government struggled to borrow and Spain considered seeking an international bail-out, British ministers privately warned that the break-up of the euro, once almost unthinkable, is now increasingly plausible.

Diplomats are preparing to help Britons abroad through a banking collapse and even riots arising from the debt crisis.

The Treasury confirmed earlier this month that contingency planning for a collapse is now under way.

A senior minister has now revealed the extent of the Government’s concern, saying that Britain is now planning on the basis that a euro collapse is now just a matter of time.

“It’s in our interests that they keep playing for time because that gives us more time to prepare,” the minister told the Daily Telegraph.

Recent Foreign and Commonwealth Office instructions to embassies and consulates request contingency planning for extreme scenarios including rioting and social unrest.

Greece has seen several outbreaks of civil disorder as its government struggles with its huge debts. British officials think similar scenes cannot be ruled out in other nations if the euro collapses.

Diplomats have also been told to prepare to help tens of thousands of British citizens in eurozone countries with the consequences of a financial collapse that would leave them unable to access bank accounts or even withdraw cash.

Fuelling the fears of financial markets for the euro, reports in Madrid yesterday suggested that the new Popular Party government could seek a bail-out from either the European Union rescue fund or the International Monetary Fund.

There are also growing fears for Italy, whose new government was forced to pay record interest rates on new bonds issued yesterday.

The yield on new six-month loans was 6.5 per cent, nearly double last month’s rate. And the yield on outstanding two-year loans was 7.8 per cent, well above the level considered unsustainable.

Italy’s new government will have to sell more than EURO 30 billion of new bonds by the end of January to refinance its debts. Analysts say there is no guarantee that investors will buy all of those bonds, which could force Italy to default.

The Italian government yesterday said that in talks with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Prime Minister Mario Monti had agreed that an Italian collapse “would inevitably be the end of the euro.”

The EU treaties that created the euro and set its membership rules contain no provision for members to leave, meaning any break-up would be disorderly and potentially chaotic.

If eurozone governments defaulted on their debts, the European banks that hold many of their bonds would risk collapse.

Some analysts say the shock waves of such an event would risk the collapse of the entire financial system, leaving banks unable to return money to retail depositors and destroying companies dependent on bank credit.

The Financial Services Authority this week issued a public warning to British banks to bolster their contingency plans for the break-up of the single currency.

Some economists believe that at worst, the outright collapse of the euro could reduce GDP in its member-states by up to half and trigger mass unemployment.

Analysts at UBS, an investment bank earlier this year warned that the most extreme consequences of a break-up include risks to basic property rights and the threat of civil disorder.

“When the unemployment consequences are factored in, it is virtually impossible to consider a break-up scenario without some serious social consequences,” UBS said.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ice-warns.html

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Old 28-11-2011, 10:21 AM   #2
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So us not joining the euro...probably a smart move.



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Old 28-11-2011, 10:36 AM   #3
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So us not joining the euro...probably a smart move.
Indeed - that 20+ miles/KM of water between UK and Europe has paid off big over the years lol. UK might even benefit from a Euro meltdown since the British pound would be a better investment

'Collapse of the euro 'will help Britain’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...p-Britain.html

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Old 28-11-2011, 11:09 AM   #4
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I can just imagine David Cameron doing this in his office right now:
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Old 28-11-2011, 12:05 PM   #5
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I can't imagine that the collapse of the Euro would be anything but disastrous for the UK economy. Since the European continent are our main trading partners, if they go belly-up then our economy is going to take the hit as well, at a time when we could really do without it.

But at least the leaders are trying to sort this out in a somewhat amicable way.

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Old 28-11-2011, 08:10 PM   #6
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Heard today that Ireland are talking about swapping back to our old currency, I'm assuming this is why.

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Old 28-11-2011, 08:16 PM   #7
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One constant I have noticed is that the "experts" have been lagging in their appreciation of the severity of problems. I'll add that a lot of people with advanced degrees were clever in designing new "financial instruments" but managed to lose track of debt and who owes what to who. Many investors put their money into mortgages because they were "securitised" with with credit default swaps, and because the government (in US anyway) was backing the mortgages up in a way that allowed institutions handling mortgages to get sloppy. Mortgage investments were packaged and re-packaged in so many exchanges of debt and investments that institutions have ultimately lost track of who owes what to who. People are dealing with a lot of figures that are just false or vague. Once the wheels come off the wagon in Italy etc. there is no telling how the dominoes might fall.

There is also going to be a war in the Middle East that could break out at any time and send oil prices sky high. I think people should be prudent and start to build up some supplies. If banks shut down its likely shipping will halt in places. Where I live one large storm causes shelves to empty in a day or two.

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Old 28-11-2011, 09:01 PM   #8
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The sooner Ireland gets out of the Eurozone the better. It's nothing but a complete fiasco.

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Old 28-11-2011, 09:30 PM   #9
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The sooner Ireland gets out of the Eurozone the better. It's nothing but a complete fiasco.
Couldn't agree more.

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Old 28-11-2011, 10:11 PM   #10
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Prepare for riots? I think most people have come to expect them by now and would be surprised if the Greeks could go more than a couple of months without people smashing Athens up. Rioting in Greece is practically a national past time. They riot over everything... police corruption, austerity measures, dislike of the government, cuts to pensions, increasing the retirement age, just because they can.

Other European countries have seen their fair share of civil disorder over the past decade as well, Italy, France and Germany especially. Netherlands and Denmark also have have violent leftist groups who've instigated riots in the past as well who'll be looking to take advantage of this situation and inflame it.



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Old 28-11-2011, 10:35 PM   #11
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Other European countries have seen their fair share of civil disorder over the past decade as well, Italy, France and Germany especially. Netherlands and Denmark also have have violent leftist groups who've instigated riots in the past as well who'll be looking to take advantage of this situation and inflame it.
You can add Ireland to that list. Éirígí and the Socialist Workers Party have made a habit of turning peaceful protests into riots.

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i don't even remember why the hell we decided to get the euro in the first place. =/

someone remind me?





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One constant I have noticed is that the "experts" have been lagging in their appreciation of the severity of problems. I'll add that a lot of people with advanced degrees were clever in designing new "financial instruments" but managed to lose track of debt and who owes what to who. Many investors put their money into mortgages because they were "securitised" with with credit default swaps, and because the government (in US anyway) was backing the mortgages up in a way that allowed institutions handling mortgages to get sloppy. Mortgage investments were packaged and re-packaged in so many exchanges of debt and investments that institutions have ultimately lost track of who owes what to who.
I think the mortgage issue was more the US than anywhere else, from what I gather we screwed up just as much but in a slightly different way;-p



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i don't even remember why the hell we decided to get the euro in the first place. =/

someone remind me?
So that one ring would bind us....no wait.

I think it had something to do with trading between the different EU countries, apparently removing the exchange rates would be beneficial (lol'd) or some bull. However, someone please correct as no doubt I am wrong.

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So that one ring would bind us....no wait.
haha that was funny

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To be honest this just sounds like scaremongering to me.






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There's talk of slashing mortgage interest rates from 1.25% to 0.5%, which they say will help to delay the euro collapse or buy enough time to avert it completely (I have no idea how they're going to accomplish that... I admit I don't really know that much about the situation). It'll also considerably lessen the burden on homeowners. I'm just parroting something I skimmed through in the paper today, so if anyone knows more about this please feel free to flesh it out or correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't know if this is scaremongering or not, but people are getting scared. I'm living on a pretty bare-bones budget as it is, so I know I'm scared by the prospect of things suddenly getting a whole lot worse. Whether those fears are justified or not is probably irrelevant at the moment - what matters is that they're real, and as people get more and more afraid they'll start to panic. The recession has been hard on everyone, but this is the first time in my life that I've felt such a sense of impending doom hanging over everyone's heads.

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