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Old 15-04-2010, 05:40 PM   #1
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Chemical inbalance

i'm a bit confused. i have just been to my counsellor who ive only been seeing for a few weeks and she said something about there being a strong likelyhood that i could have a chemical inbalance in my brain which is causing my frequent mood swings which i get for no reason what so ever most of the time, something will just switch in me and i'll become depressed/angry/sad/empty. I don't really understand anything about this topic so i was wondering if someone could enlighten me a bit and tell me what they know? what does it mean? how do you find out for sure? what can be done? could this be whats causing my mood swings/self harm/bulimia?



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Old 16-04-2010, 08:02 AM   #2
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Some ppl believe it is a chemical imbalance that causes depression right thru to schizophrenia, others argue against it.
I think so long as you are receiving treatment that helps you, that argument is irrelevant.

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Old 16-04-2010, 01:01 PM   #3
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a chemical imbalance is when it is to do with how your brain works other than a pinpointed area of your life that causes you to have emotional problem. google it and you should find info you need





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Old 16-04-2010, 04:51 PM   #4
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Short answer:

It seems like you’re probably asking about the validity of the “chemical imbalance” idea as an explanation for your thoughts and feelings. I ended up writing quite a lot about this because it interests me but I realize you don’t necessarily want to slog through all of my admittedly dense prose. In brief, I think that:

1) The “chemical imbalance” idea is related to sound scientific observations, but it is not a complete theory of the processes behind mental illness. As far as I know, there are not highly specific “optimal” levels of neurotransmitters that have been identified, and it may be that good mental health is possible throughout a wide range of levels of neurotransmitters.
There is evidence that drugs that alter neurotransmitter levels help many people with mental illness achieve states of mind that are considered “better”, but in my opinion it is not the case that changing neurotransmitter levels alone is equivalent to “fixing mental illness”. It can be a helpful step in that direction, and in some people might even be necessary, but it is rarely sufficient. The rest of the “fixing” comes through one’s efforts to change how they respond to things so that their actions are helpful and less harmful than they were in the past.

2) Drugs are worth trying, but it’s very rare that they seem to eliminate your problems like a magic bullet. It’s more like they help you help yourself. Also, it’s best to do some sort of talk therapy in addition to drugs.


Long answer:

I’ve tried to provide the best summary I can because this seems like a relatively common question and I think it’s rarely very well explained to laypeople by the brief statements in drug FAQs, commercials for medications, and so forth. Obviously I am NOT by any means an expert in the field but I’ve read a decent bit about it and I believe all of the following info is correct and verifiable. There are some statements that are simply my opinions and I have tried to mark them as such.

The term "chemical imbalance" is used to refer to theories that propose the biological basis of mental disorders is related to the levels of various neurotransmitter substances in the brain.

I say “basis” rather than “cause” to emphasize that although the actions of neurotransmitter chemicals and neurons are always the proximate causes of thought, they are themselves affected by many different factors including genetics, past and current environmental stimuli, physical damage to the nervous tissues, psychotropic drugs, etc. (cf. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/dep...SECTION=causes )

The “chemical imbalance” idea extrapolates from what we know about how the brain works. The next paragraphs are a (hopefully accurate) overview of how brain cells communicate, and the fifth addresses how drugs can affect that process.

Neural Processes

Basically, your brain consists of about a hundred billion neurons that are intricately interconnected to each other (and plenty of other associated cells that help neurons work, but I won’t focus on that stuff here). There are several hundred trillion synapses (interconnections) between all those neurons in an adult human, so it’s a very complex network.

Neurons interact with each other electrochemically and the upshot of all that interaction is what you experience as sensory perception and what you think and what actions you take. Though of course we don’t fully understand how the brain gives rise to the mind, and there are a range of scientific and philosophical views on that subject.

Anyway, neurons use the energy they get from oxidizing food molecules (glucose, etc.) to concentrate lots of like-charged ions on the same side of a given semi-permeable membrane, such as doesn’t otherwise happen because like charges repel each other. Then, the neuron can open a “gate” in the membrane in response to sufficient electrical stimulation (as in the case of “voltage-gated ion channels”), or in response to the binding of a chemical messenger molecule (“ligand-gated ion channels”).

Opening the gate allows an electrical current to flow, as the ions that have been stored behind a membrane repel each other. So an electrical signal is conducted along the neuron, and this signal can in turn stimulate other neurons, either by directly inducing a change in potential difference (voltage), or by causing signaling molecules (neurotransmitters) to be released from the signaling neuron, which cross the synaptic gap and bind to receptors on the signaled neuron.

Psychotropic Drugs

It’s the action of neurotransmitters that virtually all psychotropic drugs affect. The goal is to change how frequently brain cells are stimulated by the action of substances binding at the neurotransmitter receptors, and accordingly how often the cells release electrical pulses which signal other neurons. Different drugs do this through different mechanisms, and many affect some neurotransmitters (much) more than others. Some change the rate at which the body naturally breaks down neurotransmitters (e.g. MAOIs); some interfere with the binding of neurotransmitters at their associated receptor sites on neurons (e.g. most antipsychotics are dopamine blockers); some cause the neurotransmitters to be reabsorbed by the signaling neuron less frequently, so that they stimulate the signaled neuron more often (e.g. SSRIs, SNRIs); some stimulate the neural receptors themselves (so that they’re activated more frequently than they would be by endogenous neurotransmitters alone), or are metabolized into substances that do so (e.g. dopamine agonists that are commonly used to treat Parkinson’s disease among other things).

Neurotransmitter Levels vis a vis Mental Illness

The “imbalance” being referred to in the theory, is the observation that on average, patients with various mental disorders have different levels of one or more neurotransmitters in their brains than control populations (i.e. those not diagnosed with mental disorders).

However, the levels of neurotransmitters in the brain also vary to some degree among people who are not mentally ill, and vary over time in a person in response to stimuli, circadian rhythm, and so forth. As far as I know, there are not currently any highly specific and universally agreed upon levels of the various neurotransmitters that are considered optimal for mental health.

I would suspect that there is not simply one highly specific set of levels of these chemicals that is “best” for everyone. Obviously personalities vary quite a bit in the population as a whole, and this reflects differences in brain structure and function. [Although, overall brain function involves things other than simply neurotransmitter levels, such as the structure of one’s neural network and patterns of electrochemical activation within that network, both of which are potentially affected by neurotransmitter levels.]
There is not just a single type of personality that is universally regarded as “best”, and in terms of natural selection it seems like a good idea to have a variety of cognitive approaches to problems within the population. [In fact, I think that’s why mental disorders are relatively common in the first place despite being apparently maladaptive: they are simply exaggerated (through random mutation, recombination, etc.) degrees of traits that in more moderate forms are adaptive. cf. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/ma...ression-t.html ]

There’s still a lot more research to be done in this area, and for the time being neuropsychiatry is not a highly exact science. But from a pragmatic clinical perspective, what’s more important than one’s neurotransmitter levels (which are rarely measured in the course of psychiatric therapy anyway) is that they are subjectively feeling better and objectively more able to respond to stressors in adaptive (helpful/successful) ways.

The Utility of Drugs as a Treatment Method

The above mechanics of the nervous system aren’t really disputed, and there is statistical evidence that changing the levels/action of neurotransmitters produces changes that are regarded as positive in many patients with psychological problems.

However, there is a lot of debate about the extent to which simply altering the action of neurotransmitters in the brain is the best possible treatment for mental disorders. It is a relatively “crude” method of affecting how the brain processes information, which is a very complex process that’s still not fully understood. And the effective treatment of mental disorders depends on changing how the brain processes information, not simply on how many milligrams per liter of a given neurotransmitter is present in one’s brain at any given time. This makes mental disorders a lot harder to treat than simpler somatic illnesses like diabetes, where ensuring that the level of insulin in one’s bloodstream is within a certain range (and that one’s diet follows certain rules) will in fact reliably manage the problem. When it comes to mental disorders, changing neurotransmitter levels is not always (and probably not even usually, given the treatment statistics I’ve seen for various conditions) enough to “fix the problem” on its own.

Side Effects

Also, all psychotropic drugs can cause undesirable side-effects, which can vary in severity from being barely noticeable (fortunately this is currently the case for me at eight months on escitalopram; cf. http://www.drugs.com/sfx/escitalopram-side-effects.html) to being arguably worse that the disease in some cases.
For example Lithium has long been known as an effective mood stabilizer but can substantially interfere with normal nervous system and heart function to a degree that can be dangerous and cause permanent damage with acute overdose or long-term use, and there is not a very large margin between the therapeutic dose usually required and the dose that can be dangerous and damaging; cf. http://www.drugs.com/sfx/lithium-side-effects.html .
Please note that I’m not trying to promote or disparage either of the above example drugs or to compare them directly to one another; they’re not really indicated for treatment of the same conditions for the most part. They were just some of the best examples of side effect profiles that I could think of.

Drug research has given modern psychiatrists many more tools than they used to have, and accordingly I think it’s substantially rarer today for people to be prescribed things that are subjectively worse than their original disease, especially involuntarily. However, that does still happen sometimes, primarily in cases where people are persistently violent or suicidal and don’t respond to other treatments.

Further Reading

The following Wikipedia articles give a decent overview of the relevant subjects. Of course you should be skeptical of statements in Wikipedia that aren't cited or that are cited only by a source that doesn't seem very reputable/authoritative. But in general I think these articles are decently objective and well-cited.

Obviously I’ve chosen to err on the side of giving too much information, covering a lot of the concepts I talked about above even though some are substantially less central to the topic than others. I’ve tried to order them so those higher up the list are more relevant and crucial:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_imbalance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_mental_disorders

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuron

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synapse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_synapse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotransmitter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_neurotransmitter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychiatric_medications

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ssri#Mode_of_action

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maoi#Mode_of_action

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipsychotics#Drug_action

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb_force

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_gated_ion_channel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligand-gated_ion_channel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_respiration

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redox

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Old 18-04-2010, 09:18 PM   #5
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thank you for your thoughts. I read what you wrote navas (all of it ;) ) and i found it very interesting and its given me a lot of useful information. I guess the best thing to do is go to a doctor really? Although can i really go and say "the counsellor you suggested i go to told me to go back to you as i may have a chemical inbalance?" if feel silly saying i think i have this when it could be nothing....



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Old 19-04-2010, 05:40 AM   #6
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I'm glad if what I said was at all helpful.

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I guess the best thing to do is go to a doctor really? Although can i really go and say "the counsellor you suggested i go to told me to go back to you as i may have a chemical inbalance?" if feel silly saying i think i have this when it could be nothing....
Yeah I think you should tell your primary-care doctor what your counselor said, especially if the counselor specifically recommended you consult with your doctor about the issue.

It's not silly to tell the assessment of one professional to another; setting up psychological treatment usually involves cooperation between a primary-care physician and one or more mental health specialists, often a psychologist/counselor and a psychiatrist who prescribes meds.

I would think that your doctor would, among other things, discuss with you the possibility of taking medication and refer you to a psychiatrist. Unless the doctor you're referring to is in fact a psychiatrist, in which case he could himself prescribe for you.

I doubt that it is actually "nothing" since in your intro post you mentioned that you self-harm and purge.

Of course, whether you believe any particular treatment is an overall help for any of your mental issues is your decision. Pretty much everyone struggles with things and there's no hard line between things that would and would not benefit from medical treatment. Hence why diagnostic criteria generally include the caveat of "causing substantial impairment in work or personal life" or something similar, for the many conditions that are capable of having a good degree of overlap with what could be considered functional behavior.

But you don't want to trick yourself into believing that your problems are truly best managed without any professional support when that might not be true. It is possible for that to become an excuse for further self-destruction, which fact you might not realize until things get really bad (e.g. with a hospital admission, etc.)

At the very least, I'd say that those who have exited treatment should be circumspect and skeptical of themselves, and be ready to contact a doctor with the relevant info if things seem to start going wrong.

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