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Old 13-02-2009, 02:23 AM   #161
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Ah, what Jess said, sorry. Brain is all over the place at the mo.



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Old 13-02-2009, 02:25 AM   #162
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*pets di* don't worry about it.

It's not so much that they don't see the point in stopping. it's when you get comments that say "i'm not going to stop cause it's not a bad thign to be doing".... that is what we would like to stop



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Old 13-02-2009, 02:25 AM   #163
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*pets chels*



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Old 13-02-2009, 03:17 AM   #164
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Please can everyone try to avoid getting into arguments and making personal attacks on other members on this thread.

Everyone has a right to express their opinion here, but if things start getting too heated and disrespectful to other members, then this thread will be in danger of getting locked ..... and I dont think anyone wants that to happen, as I believe some really helpful discussion has been taking place.

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Old 13-02-2009, 03:38 AM   #165
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I think some people are missing the point of this thread.

Here are some examples of what Jess is talking about.

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What Jess is talking about, and should be eliminated.

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I cut today and I'm trying to stop but I just had to and not I feel like crap and majorly guilty and it's making me want to cut again.
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Aww hunni it's ok *hugs* we all have bad days. PM me anytime!
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Don't feel guilty! It's hard to recover, don't worry that you cut, just concentrate that you lasted for a few days without it
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*massive hugs* I always feel really guilty after cutting, don't worry it's normal.
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What SHOULD be happening.

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I cut today and I'm trying to stop but I just had to and not I feel like crap and majorly guilty and it's making me want to cut again.
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What emotions made you feel like you needed to SI today? Did you try and do anything else to deal with your feelings?
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I've found that when I start getting urges to cut I do xxxx and xxxx and it really helps. Maybe try doing that next time you feel like you need to cut?
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Do you have anyone to talk to when you start feeling like you need to cut? A lot of people have relapses when they are recovering, but they keep trying and eventually they succeed.
Are you guys understanding the difference between these two types of threads and why the first type are not helpful at all? You can substitute "cut" with burn, punch, binge, restrict, purge etc.



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Old 13-02-2009, 04:00 AM   #166
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I personally, don't think those first replys are wrong.

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Old 13-02-2009, 04:08 AM   #167
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But chels those replies often turn into

It's okay, you only cut a little bit.

It's alright, cutting is better than doing something else.

Cutting is fine as long as you don't go to deep.

That sort of response isn't good. And that's where things have been leading!



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Old 13-02-2009, 04:45 AM   #168
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Can you provide actual links to these?
I've NEVER seen a thread with someone saying that.

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Old 13-02-2009, 04:50 AM   #169
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I can. but not right now becasue I have to go and actually do my job :P They are out there.



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Old 13-02-2009, 04:55 AM   #170
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I'll PM you with a couple of things, Livkins.

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Old 13-02-2009, 05:11 AM   #171
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Have fun with adult life Jess :P

And looking at that now, those really are terrible things to tell people.

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Old 13-02-2009, 06:08 AM   #172
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Adult life... one of my clients smelt like pee >.< it's a joy... *cough*

anywho:

Aimee aided my laziness! Woo!

But now you get us liviness? :P



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Old 13-02-2009, 08:33 AM   #173
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I do. I do.

Now go take a bath. Smelling of pee is icky.

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Old 13-02-2009, 08:44 AM   #174
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I'm glad. I'm even more glad that aimeeface linked you cause it means I don't have to *is very lazy* :P

I don't smell like pee! My client did! >.<



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Old 13-02-2009, 11:17 AM   #175
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I've never come across a post saying "That's okay, you didn't need stitches/hit a vein, so just keep it shallow!" But then I'm not the most active member of this board.
It's kinda hard to say "Cutting is bad, and you cut yourself but that doesn't make you a bad person." And maybe it's not entirely a bad thing to normalise self-injury somewhat? What I found the worst was when I felt like a total freak for it.
There's a difference between telling someone something's okay, and telling them it's the lesser of 2 evils. If someone went from regularly hitting the vein to scratching themselves, they HAVE achieved something. They've managed to change the mindset behind what they want to achieve from self-injury: extremely visible self-destruction to a non-permanent, less dangerous method of relief. Well, I went from wanting to damage myself (I am bad and must be punished) to taking out my upset out in inanimate objects (I'm upset but don't deserve punishment) and I can't be the only one.




"Well yeah, and I'm sad, but at the same time I'm really happy that something could make me feel that sad. It's like, it makes me feel alive, you know? It makes me feel human. And the only way I could feel this sad now is if I felt somethin' really good before. So I have to take the bad with the good, so I guess what I'm feelin' is like a, beautiful sadness. I guess that sounds stupid." "Yeah."


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Old 13-02-2009, 12:06 PM   #176
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Jess I know what you are talking about. I haven't read the whole of this thread cause it is pretty long but I've gotten the jist of it and I get what you're saying.
People have started thinking that cause most people on RYL cut that it's a 'normal' thing. It's not.
I don't know what else to say apart from I read your first post Jess and I agree with you, I don't think cutting should be talked about so lightly.

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Old 13-02-2009, 02:58 PM   #177
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i really strongly agree with some of the things said in this thread.

could a sticky be made or summat?

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Old 14-02-2009, 12:45 AM   #178
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So I've read through all this and am going to try to respond.

It seems the big issue is people normalising cutting (or any type of self harming behaviour).

If you are cutting - something is wrong. A healthy (and mentally healthy) person doesn't hurt themselves when things get difficult.


Cutting is a maladaptive coping mechanism.


That is not to say that the person is bad, but they are dealing with something difficult (I'm being vague - there could be many reasons) and they are doing whatever they can to cope.

People do what they can to survive, there shouldn't be shame in that.

BUT any type of activity that involves harm to yourself is extremely damaging, physically, mentally, emotionally.

If you are hurting yourself alarm bells should be ringing! This is NOT normal behaviour, and while it can be very comforting to know you are not alone, we just can't say that it's ok, or it doesn't matter, as already said - it's not about the severity of the injury is no measure to the emotional pain someone is in. And if you are hurting yourself you are in emotional pain.

Smoking and drinking in moderation are not really comparable. It's about what's going on in someone's head.

If these threads arise - they need to be discussed, but we need to be talking about what is going on, the distress, the pain, people need to know that it isn't normal to be feeling like this - although it is perfectly valid.

I remember ages ago doing a counselling course and we discussed "feeling words" (I know this sounds cheesy - I'm going somewhere!)
These are usually divided into positive / negative / good/ bad. Whereas actually they are all just feelings. It is perfectly vaild to feel sad. Because you are feeling sad it isn't necessarily a negative thing, that's just the way you feel. But how you act on that will have positive or negative consequences on you.

If something is wrong and you are feeling bad, then we need to pointing people in the right direction on how to deal with it, talking about it, other coping mechanisms, rather than just saying yeah well don't hurt yourself too bad. (I'm generalising)

You aren't bad because you cut. But cutting is bad. There are other better, more effective, safer ways of coping.

As regards "safer cutting", I just can't see how that would work. As it goes Harm Reduction for self injury are things like the elastic band on the wrist, ice cubes and all that (can do slight damage but are drastically reducing harm) once a blade is involved, there just can't be guidelines on what is "safe".


I know this is long - I hope I made some kind of sense. This thread has got kind of intense, I was trying to choose my words carefully and I am also very tired



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Old 14-02-2009, 04:27 AM   #179
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Artychik thats reeeeeally well said!!!!!!



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Old 14-02-2009, 10:04 AM   #180
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Sorry I haven't been able coming online for two days.
I had overread the last six pages and I am too lazy to quote all things I'd like to comment to, so here is just a short answer.

Heidi, hun, I can totally understand and support your asking for threads about safe cutting and "scales of damaging done by different methods" .
No, that wouldn't be that pro BUT reality based.

Nobody is ever gonna make all people stop cutting and face the reality- there are people like Heidi, Rike and me who don't want to quit but would never ever encourage others to start or continue cutting/ SHing either.
And OK, there are people who don't want to quit YET, too.

So, why not try to give informations- perhaps not openly in the boards but only sent by PM if someone asks for it?- to save people from infections, cutting through tendons and accidentally committing suicide?!

I guess some people are against it, although I cannot remember that someone wrote this directly, that it could make some people do it not just anyway BUT even misuse this information.
Like "Oh, I want to hurt myself as bad as I could, so yeah, I could look it up in the paper about it".

But as others said there is to be maken a choice by this individual first...the free will of human beings, you know?!
You cannot save anybody and I know that it's horrible and makes many people like me feel helpless but could we blame us for giving us information with good intention that is meanily misused by a few people?!

As I mentioned there is even an official book from a SH organisation and I will order it to save myself...and I don't think that books or leaflet like that are Pro but realtity.

I like what Aimee said that it's better to empasize the roots and causes that make people SH but to emphasize to make them stop.
Someone who only wants to make me stop- who are you by the way to patronize me like that (even most of you will do it because you care for me)?- makes me angry and makes me think "I will do it now even more because I can do what I want".

Anyway, I hope you can see where I am coming from with my arguments.



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