No, Enthused, I do not just repeat what the papers say - I have my own views, to which I am entitled, and I have already voted today in favour of financial prudence because without this none of our hopes can be achieved.
Enjoy your own vote, together with all its consequences ...
Just a quick reminder to keep this friendly guys, I know today is a very important day and nothing wrong with a healthy debate but if it gets out of hand I'll have this thread locked.
There is a trend on Twitter where people are posting pictures of themselves eating bacon butties in defence of the pathetic bullying of Ed eating a bacon sandwich. it's pretty interesting. I think a good few thousand are taking part in it.
I voted too, I couldn't decide until I was in the booth with my ballot but I feel like I made the right decision!
There are times to stay put, and what you want will come to you.
But there are times to go out into the world and find such a thing for yourself.
I aint no abacus but you can count on me.
Ps: a whIle back you said Harley was a councillor. Is he independent or Tory or other?
I am Independent (not to be confused with Independence!) - I don't feel party politics has any place in local governance...
Plus I can't launch the Harley Party if I attach myself to one of the others ;) Party colours would be orange of course, and mental health funding would be sorted!
I voted and chose the party more due to the local MP candidate as well as overall policy. I'm in a vvv politically stable constituency so either way it's likely my vote wouldn't make a difference but that's not the point. I didn't think about local councillor candidates anyway and went for the party I voted for gov't and changed my mind partially as I was leaving but oh well, I didn't research the local election candidate and that's my bad. What's done is done, at least I'm happy with the general election candidate I put forward (and tbh the party as a whole) and am pretty happy with the local one.
I do feel, as many do, that it will be another coalition gov't or a re-vote (which is unlikely to change anything as the whole campaigning this yr has shown no real change in the opinion polls) but I really hope it doesn't become a mish-mash of several smaller parties, I don't mind just too though would like a change from the current gov't. I however really hope that UKIP doesn't gain power, either by itself or within a coalition but the chances of that are v low indeed, I believe anyway from what I've seen.
Please, Iamcatbug, don't blame me for the poverty you are referring to. I paid my taxes throughout my working life and still do. It is surely government's fault if some unfortunate people fall off the end - though just how many more benefits/subsidies/bail-outs can any government afford if it is to balance the books?
To portray us in UK as some sort of pariahs because there are still some poor is greatly unfair - I'll bet that many more people in this country have holidays abroad than use food banks (though I can't back that up with figures). What do you suggest - an extra £500 or £1000 a week for all those below a certain level of income? Who would have to pay? We all would via the government, which would then be less able to pay for other things like the NHS, schools or whatever. Government actually have an immensely difficult juggling act to balance the insatiable public demands for services and benefits against the national income. Of course they don't always get it right - and never will.
Tony (who has previously recorded on the site as having paid 83% tax on a fairly modest income under James Callaghan's labour government).
No one should be facing poverty in a first world country Tony!
In fact no one should be facing poverty full stop!
Whilst that is a nice thought, there will always be poverty, at least of the relative kind. There will always be someone with less than others, living in poorer circumstances than others. Trying to alleviate that is noble, but I think to eradicate it is impossible.
I'm saying that as someone who grew up in poverty!
myself and my family have been out and voted today
My sister voted at her polling station and took my wee niece who is 8 to see what happens and then they came down and met me and my mum and we went and voted then we went and got my wee granny out in her wheelchair and took her round to her polling station to vote.
at all the polling stations we voted at and passed during our day out the only people there representing any party were those with SNP ( who I voted for and have always have voted for ) I think the Westminster parties are going to have to swallow their pride and accept that the SNP are coming to Westminster and learn to work with them, they wanted Scotland in the union well they are going to ****ing well GET us
Westminster parties do want Scotland in the union, as do the Scottish people. I think it'll be interesting if the SNP form a coalition with Labour. Labour have said they won't, but politicians say a lot of things.
“Our defeats are softened and our victories are sweetened because we did it together.” - Toby Ziegler.
Please, Iamcatbug, don't blame me for the poverty you are referring to.
And where did I place the blame on you? I believe I just said that no one should be facing poverty in Britain.
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Whilst that is a nice thought, there will always be poverty, at least of the relative kind. There will always be someone with less than others, living in poorer circumstances than others. Trying to alleviate that is noble, but I think to eradicate it is impossible.
I'm saying that as someone who grew up in poverty!
I know I'm being very idealistic with wishing poverty didn't exist.
I grew up in a poor house. My parents refused to apply for any benefits they were entitled to (except child benefit, which was used for buying clothes etc for us). So to an extent I do know what it is like to have very little.
I think my main issue with money on a whole is that we have people who have no money at all, then people who have money to spend on a whim. Which has very little to do with the election in the grand scheme of the election.
But I've voted now, and look forward to seeing what we've decided as a country.
Is it wrong to be excited about the election? I feel like it's wrong to be excited about something that could potentially go completely the opposite way that I'd like it to!
I think the Westminster parties are going to have to swallow their pride and accept that the SNP are coming to Westminster and learn to work with them, they wanted Scotland in the union well they are going to ****ing well GET us
The SNP are already a "Westminster party", as they already have a presence there, if not much. Also, not all Scots (ie, "us) are pro-SNP, in fact, most of "us" want to stay in the union and get along peacefully and successfully.
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Westminster parties do want Scotland in the union, as do the Scottish people. I think it'll be interesting if the SNP form a coalition with Labour. Labour have said they won't, but politicians say a lot of things.
Indeed. A lot of councils are already Labour-SNP coalitions and they seem to be getting on okay. Of course, they don't have larger party political ideals to contend with.
I really don't understand why they have focussed on utilising the Scottish party leaders when, in reality, they have nothing to do with this election, other than being a face that some people might align with a certain party. Similarly, I'll be glad when the SNP can stop trotting out the "the Scottish NHS will be destroyed by Westminster" line, when the Scottish NHS has always been a completely different entity and is run out of Holyrood.
I feel kind of excited about it, in a curious but slightly anxious way.
I guess we're on the brink of change tonight. Tomorrow morning we could have a new government, though it's likely we won't as one party isn't going to have an outright majority (it would be amazing if they did) so we'll have a few days of parties trying to make deals with each other to form a coalition!
And David Cameron will have first choice, from what I read on the BBC. So it'll probably be likely to have a Conservative/SNP coalition.
Isn’t it funny how day by day nothing changes but when you look back, everything is different…
you once called your brain a hard drive, well say hello to the virus.
I think my main issue with money on a whole is that we have people who have no money at all, then people who have money to spend on a whim. Which has very little to do with the election in the grand scheme of the election.
That has always existed and always will, though. We can attempt to narrow the wealth gap, but in the grand scheme of things, does it work? I'm not too sure. On a global scale things are even less likely to be made fairer.
Is it wrong to be excited about the election? I feel like it's wrong to be excited about something that could potentially go completely the opposite way that I'd like it to!
I'm excited and terrified, so much could change, but I think I am more excited because it's my first time voting...It feels like some sort of passage into adulthood.
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And David Cameron will have first choice, from what I read on the BBC. So it'll probably be likely to have a Conservative/SNP coalition.
If that happened it would be a disaster as there would be no stability at all. Those two parties are diametrically opposed on almost if not all party politics.
