But maybe people should try to be a little more sensitive, really. i know it's sh***y when people don't seem to take youre advice, but maybe Ian just isn't strong enough yet. That's no reason to be an a**h***...
Sorry I'm kind of being one myself, but... this kind of upset me, too, and I chose to take a different way from Ian and say something about it.
Not afraid of crying, sorrow and foe.
Not afraid of falling down below.
To the night, recklessly we fly.
Like living dead, we'll never die
(Children of Bodom~Living dead beat)
I'm not being an "Asshole" at all. Just to me, i'd rarther take a tough love approach, and tell him the truth, we're going round in circles and i want him to get help. If i was an ass i'd not say anything. I like Ian alot, and i don't want him suffering, and i'm willing to do whatever it takes... If it hurts his feelings, i'd rarther him dislike me and get better, then to like me and still feel bad :/
On a long enough time line, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Hey im sorry that things are like this, this thread is for Ian and i believe everyone is doing their best to support Ian. We should concentrate on ian,
I dont think Dan was wrong in what he said to ian. He was being honest, theres no need for us to be loosing site of supporting Ian. And im sorry that people are getting personal there is no need for name calling, we all need to concentrate on Ian.
Ian we know your in a difficult emotional state right now , please understand we are doing what we can to help you get to the stage of reaching out. please dont get upset.
you still have our support, please find that strength inside yourself to get help, try talking to us more .
we dont want you to go away, we want to help you get better, its important we are as honest as we can be to help you get to the stage of being stronger.
when your ready youve got to take what we are saying and use it to move forward.
We all care about you Ian and all along weve been gently telling you that you need to find it in yourself to reach out for further support other than ryl.
No one wants you to suffer all we want is you to start to feel better. please come back on Ian and i hope you can take in some of what weve said, you can do this mate and stay strong.
Dave
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" Use only that which Works, and take it from any place you find it" Im Honoured My RYL Sons are :)Atlantica, ,Saint of Misery, Stevevaijr
My Adoptee :)S_Pod live help
I'm sorry that you're upset by what people have said - but I'm sure that if you just take a minute to look beyond the hurt that you're feeling, you'll see where they're coming from. No-one is trying to be horrible towards you, at all. But you have to understand that it isn't easy for us to continue trying to be there for you when you don't seem willing to really do anything to try to help yourself through this. We care about you and don't want to see you get hurt; so, talking to you night after night and hearing that you're either feeling suicidal or that you've already overdosed, and not being able to do anything to help you, is bound to be stressful and draining. It's not that we don't want you to talk to us or continue to post here - it's simply that we want you to do something positive for yourself, instead of repeating the same thing every day.
I'm not saying it's easy, I know it's not. We've all been there, those days or weeks or even months when you just feel so low that nothing seems worth it, and you're too unhappy and hopeless to really take in what anyone says, much less do anything about it. But sometimes the very thing that you need to hear is the people who care about you being somewhat blunt with you about what you need to do. If you can fing the strength to do something positive for yourself - even if it's just to reach out and actually tell someone how bad things are, ask for some help - then it will make a difference. We're here for you, of course, but there's only so much we can do, you can't expect us to be able to fix things for you, nor can you expect things to improve if you don't change them. I do understand how much it hurts right now, but I promise that it can be so much better than this.
Please reach out to someone, Ian. You're worth so much more than this.
You know where I am, 'kay?
xo
First of all, Dan, I'm sorry for being so rude to you. I wasn't thinking clearly at that moment and said the first thing that came to my mind. I'm really sorry and please accept my apology. I should have expressed my point of view a lot more politely. Sorry again.
And I would also like to apologize to everyone else who took offense with what I said. I'm sorry.
And Ian... I'm sorry I caused trouble in your thread. That was awful, I'm sorry. Oh, and I'm very glad you are staying :)
Not afraid of crying, sorrow and foe.
Not afraid of falling down below.
To the night, recklessly we fly.
Like living dead, we'll never die
(Children of Bodom~Living dead beat)
Ian,
Im glad your back, i hear you about being ill, thanks for quick convo on Msn, im glad your taking stuff for the cold, you will feel worse right now.
Its good to hear youve spoken to your counsellor, i hope you can tell her how you really feel and maybe even what you want to do, she could
help you mate get the support and help you need.
Im sorry you OD again please take care of yourself , but please try and reach out to someone. I understand your finding it hard to tell your parents, but Ian you have to find a way of talking to them, if you really want to overcome this, please try and talk to your parents or if not tell your counsellor.
We understand you not being well enough, take care of yourself , but please get help from someone close ian , you cant keep hurting yourself.
you dont need to appologise, just reach out to someone mate please let them help you through this difficult time. I know you want out of this a way of escaping, Ian you say you dont know what to do,
well please try this, way is by reaching out to someone and asking them to help you mate, your counsellor, your parents, or someone you trust they are the ones who will help you feel better .
You havent been nasty in any way ok, you are struggling and trying to find a way of coping. Hey never be sorry your alive, you can find a way through this .
We are here supporting as much as we can because we care about you , if you can take the extra step of reaching out all the better. But we havent wasted our time with you.
Dave
" Use only that which Works, and take it from any place you find it" Im Honoured My RYL Sons are :)Atlantica, ,Saint of Misery, Stevevaijr
My Adoptee :)S_Pod live help
Ian Im sorry your in such a mess right now, and your ready to give up, please dont, We are really pleased you came on and told us.
Listen my friend now is the time to tell your parents how bad things are, or now is the time you talk to someone , PLEASE DO talk to emergency Dr
or A & E talk with someone please mate.
being on your own with this will not help you
you need to reach out to someone else mate please try and do this
we still support you but cant do any more that try and help you get the
help you need.
Dave
" Use only that which Works, and take it from any place you find it" Im Honoured My RYL Sons are :)Atlantica, ,Saint of Misery, Stevevaijr
My Adoptee :)S_Pod live help
Im quite ill (really bad cold) iv been laying down on my bed alot because i feel so ill im sorry to make things sound worse than what they are but im really not good at all if im honest im worse today.
Ian mate ,
Thank you for talking to me on Msn, i understand it is so difficult to reach out to others,
BUT YOU HAVE TO IAN, please please talk to someone else i know you feel terrible but you have to get professional help now rather than later.
Talk to CHILDLINE: 0800 1111
TALK TO A& E
you want to live and overcome your Depression you told me you do
the way to do this is to TALK TO SOMEONE , You told me you told your counsellor about your OD, well PLEASE TELL them how bad you feel and that you want immediate help.
if you dont Ian
you wont get any better this wont go away on its own, it will become stronger.
We dont want to loose you,
But its your right to take the steps you feel comfortable with, we cant do anymore that encourage you and support you
YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE STEP of telling someone else other than RYL the
until you do mate nothing will change, its important you have a space to express your feelings here at RYL but we can only do so much for you.
we have given you suggestions and how to get the help you need,
we cant do anymore that support you but there is only so much we can do for you.
You must FIND the STRENGTH to call someone mate
i HOPE you can tell your parents, write a letter give it to them
I REALLY HOPE YOU DO , YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO WHAT WE HAVE SAID
this is where you must find the STRENGTH to help YOURSELF IAN
Dave
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Reason: spelling mistake
" Use only that which Works, and take it from any place you find it" Im Honoured My RYL Sons are :)Atlantica, ,Saint of Misery, Stevevaijr
My Adoptee :)S_Pod live help
careful if you are taking cold medicine, some can have a bit of a downer effect so its understandable that you would feel worse.
even without that, hell... nobody likes being ill!
rest up, get some physical strength back, then you'll be better able to take the necessary first steps to getting the rest better.
if you can breathe and talk ok, you may even want to call one of the places he said ^^^^^ even before the cold goes away.
Half Psychotic Sick Hypnotic We sat and waited for the sea
To stretch out so that we could disappear
Into the endlessness of blue Into the horror of the truth We are far less than we knew
Half Psychotic Sick Hypnotic We sat and waited for the sea
To stretch out so that we could disappear
Into the endlessness of blue Into the horror of the truth We are far less than we knew
*Hugs*
anything you wanna talk about at the moment?
Half Psychotic Sick Hypnotic We sat and waited for the sea
To stretch out so that we could disappear
Into the endlessness of blue Into the horror of the truth We are far less than we knew
Ian ,
Hugs, Thanks for talking with me on Msn, Im glad you will see your counsellor soon please tell her how bad you’ve been feeling and that you want to hurt yourself , tell her you need more help right now.
And Ian please tell her about our conversation, while you were talking to me on Msn, you Dissociated and began reliving when you were bullied. Please tell her it will help you understand what happened in your past.
On there you can ask about what Dissociating is -Longing Tears from RYL has posted a link about what Dissociating means
Click this link to take you to the description
You could also pm Typsee and talk to her about it, or contact These people from RYL, they have posted in the Mental Health Forum:
Longing Tears
Strong and Succesful
Saint Of Misery
Im sure they will be helpfull
please tell your counsellor you need more immediate help
with the way you feel right now, and that you cant cope. You need help to stop you hurting yourself and risking your life again.
please do this Ian.
Dave
" Use only that which Works, and take it from any place you find it" Im Honoured My RYL Sons are :)Atlantica, ,Saint of Misery, Stevevaijr
My Adoptee :)S_Pod live help
Very Triggering *suicide*also contains alot of swearing
The dissocosiated thing was only a one off thing so i dont think its worth it. I feel like fucking shit today sorry to swear but i do. Iv also started.............. oh it dont matter dw. I should just kill myself so much better that way then i can leave everyone here in peace. So ridiculous it is..... should of died ages ago for fuck sake.......... so useless so dumb................... so pathetic and last of all such an idiot that im not worth anything.......... oh never mind.
Life is so fucking shit shit shit shit. Could someone answer this question please why did i sign up to ryl? If all i am is a stupid selfish low life who never bloody listens to anybody who allways thinks about him self. If im not selfish.... well what am i? If im not horrible what am i? If im not a low life what am i? If im not better dead then what should i be? Exactly i should be dead..... why not? I mean just look at me............... such an attention seeker.......... why does someone like me deserve support? How am i a lovely person? No need to reply im not worth it you can if you want though.
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I think you should make an entire new thread saying what you just said.
People who could respond very well may not see it as there are alreadt tons of replies in this one.
I'm guessing several people abandoned this one thinking you were feeling better.
me.. i just don't know what to say to any of that... I dont KNOW you, or what is going on in your life... to be able to give any perspective.
I can give you an E-Hug and invite you to better explain what has you so upset though.
Half Psychotic Sick Hypnotic We sat and waited for the sea
To stretch out so that we could disappear
Into the endlessness of blue Into the horror of the truth We are far less than we knew
Ian,
Its good youve been able to express your real feelings in YOUR post, Maybe the Dissociating was a one off but its still worth telling your counsellor about it and your bullying as im sure there is more.
I hear you ian about wanting to kill yourself and leave everyone in peace
NO ONE wants you to kill yourself, and we all care about you we are here at ryl to support you until your ready to get the help you need from outside ryl from your counsellor or a Dr or someone you trust.
Like i said to you on Msn, we want you to get help from your counsellor, Dr or someone you trust get them to get you help straight away to stop you killing yourself Ian .
Remember we can support you till your ready to get help, but ryl cant get you the help for you
ONLY YOU IAN CAN ASK FOR PROFESSIONAL HELP IAN
YOUR COUNSELLOR, DR OR Accident & Emergency Department They ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL GET YOU THE EXTRA HELP you need to stop you killing yourself.
AND STOCKPILING PILLS AGAIN FRIEND WONT HELP YOU ANYMORE YOU ARE NOT LETTING YOURSELF GET BETTER BY OD.
You signed up to RYL to recieve SUPPORT until your ready to GET THE HELP FROM YOUR COUNSELLOR, DR OR SOMEONE YOU TRUST ONLY THEY CAN GIVE YOU THE HELP YOU NEED.
YOU HAVE TO START LISTENING TO WHAT I HAVE SAID TO YOU , AND WHAT OTHERS HERE AT RYL IAN HAVE SAID TO YOU
PLEASE GET EXTRA HELP NOW FROM A PROFESSIONAL
you can stay where you are and continue to take ODS AND RISKING YOUR LIFE but you will not move forward IAN YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS THE POWER TO GET THE HELP YOU NEED WE CANT DO THAT .
thank you for finding the time to listen to me Ian on MSN, I HOPE YOU HAVE TAKEN IN WHAT I WAS SAYING TO YOU.
Dave
Last edited by bleedingdragon : 01-10-2007 at 01:00 AM.
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" Use only that which Works, and take it from any place you find it" Im Honoured My RYL Sons are :)Atlantica, ,Saint of Misery, Stevevaijr
My Adoptee :)S_Pod live help
Ian, I was bullied too, and it resulted in me bullying myself, basically, which I am slowly overcoming. I'm wondering if your very low opinion of yourself might be an effect of the bullying you've endured.
You don't have to continue to hurt yourself in the way you've been hurt. You're worth more than that.
