Jodie: If something you posts breaks the rules, it will be removed/edited, and a mod will probably explain why it was removed. Untill that happens, you dont have anything to worry about. And if it does happen, it will give you an idea about what is glamorising.
"I would be almighty in my own world of art, even if I had to paint my pictures with my wet tongue on the dusty floor of my cell." -Picasso
"No, painting is not done to decorate apartments. It is an instrument of war." - Picasso
'I have scars becuase I have a past; but they, like my past, do not define my future'
If you're not happy that you can't post number in the R&V board, or any for that matter, then take your rant else where. Numbers were removed as part of a decision by all in the community here.
So like it or lump it. Seriously.
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claire: if i had the time, i could go and find a quote by harley himself sayign ryl is not supposed to be real life. the 'safe place' stuff isn't nonsence. Chances are if you're on this site, the real world has screwed you over in some way. Here is supposed to be safe place for peopel to go where they arn't going to get hurt. if it wasn't supposed to be safe, peopel would be allowed to flame etc. but they're not. Because it's a safe place.
"I would be almighty in my own world of art, even if I had to paint my pictures with my wet tongue on the dusty floor of my cell." -Picasso
"No, painting is not done to decorate apartments. It is an instrument of war." - Picasso
'I have scars becuase I have a past; but they, like my past, do not define my future'
We're not wanting numbers, I've not seen anyone say they want numbers back.
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All we are doing is voicing our opinions & some people want clarification of what can and cannot be posted.
I don't think you guys disrespecting members by wanting to post numbers when it's CLEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY not allowed is very nice.
Who is wanting to post numbers? Please link me to the post.
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Originally Posted by [Purple_Rain]
claire: if i had the time, i could go and find a quote by harley himself sayign ryl is not supposed to be real life. the 'safe place' stuff isn't nonsence. Chances are if you're on this site, the real world has screwed you over in some way. Here is supposed to be safe place for peopel to go where they arn't going to get hurt. if it wasn't supposed to be safe, peopel would be allowed to flame etc. but they're not. Because it's a safe place.
My understanding is that RYL is a welcoming and non-judgemental place. How can any site that deals with the stuff on here be considered safe? Talk of self-harm, suicide, abuse or anything else is not "safe".
No Jodie, not everyone can be ketp safe. see my 'you can please some people all of the time' quote. The rules are there that best fit the majority. I can garentee you allowing glamorising would make more people unsafe than not.
"I would be almighty in my own world of art, even if I had to paint my pictures with my wet tongue on the dusty floor of my cell." -Picasso
"No, painting is not done to decorate apartments. It is an instrument of war." - Picasso
'I have scars becuase I have a past; but they, like my past, do not define my future'
claire: again, there is the difference between triggering and pro. The site, given its nature, almost has to be triggering for peopel to be able to seek support for their issues. However, it does not need to be glamorising. Glamorising is an extra danger that is uneeded and unwanted.
"I would be almighty in my own world of art, even if I had to paint my pictures with my wet tongue on the dusty floor of my cell." -Picasso
"No, painting is not done to decorate apartments. It is an instrument of war." - Picasso
'I have scars becuase I have a past; but they, like my past, do not define my future'
IMO if you have censoring, which you will need, not everyone will always be happy, so whilst debating views is helpful, it is always worth remembering that censoring is what it is and some people will always feel needlessly silenced. What may tip one person over the edge may pass another by without care. It can not be easy judging what to censor and not one of us could always get that right. We must not lose sight that the censoring is in place to protect people. xxx
Emma, numbers were removed because they cause competition between members & trigger people a lot more than without the numbers. Especially regarding ED's. I would agree that when numbers were here, this place was a lot less safe & a lot more pro than it is now without them.
I don't think you're going to get them back.
But as has already been said, the definition of glamourising is so subjective and vague. The only thing that we can all put our fingers on is the incredibly obvious, ie, no numbers and no overly graphic descriptions. Beyond that it is down to each individual person.
Jodie, I have to say I agree with you. Really, if you can't add something to the discussion just don't post.
Jodie: the threads going a bit fast for us to know who you're talking to, lovely.
and Katiee, if your thread is edited you get an automatic PM sent to you with the reason why (you know when you edit it yourself, an dyou get a little box asking you to say why you've edited it? well we fill that in, and that's what you get in the automated PM). You also may get a seperate PM from the mods explaining it in further detail.
"I would be almighty in my own world of art, even if I had to paint my pictures with my wet tongue on the dusty floor of my cell." -Picasso
"No, painting is not done to decorate apartments. It is an instrument of war." - Picasso
'I have scars becuase I have a past; but they, like my past, do not define my future'
"I cut last night and it was phenomenal and my senses were all high and I felt euphoric and I wanna do it again and again."
It's not alway that vague and obvious though, Eli.
Hence the reason we have multiple members asking us to differentiate between being graphic and glamourizing.
Glamorising can appear to be a post that says "Oh that cut felt so good", but it doesn't mean that it's good to cut and promoting it or anything, it just means to that person, for them, as someone said, it FELT good for them. It was a relief for them.
I don't know how that can appear like it's encouraging/promoting self harm or glamorising it when they are just expressing how they feel.
Well, unfortunately, saying "Oh that cut felt good" is glamorising cutting; that is a cold, hard fact. Whether it is an expression of how a person feels or not is unimportant. It will potentially remind a reader of their positive experiences of cutting; it will potentially remind a reader of the enjoyable effects of cutting; it will potentially encourage a reader to cut, experience these enjoyable effects, ignore the negative repercussions.
I am all for ranting and venting, but if you wish to say such things then do so through a medium which is not primarily a source of safety. It is not necessary to post solely on RYL. In fact, one's adamance to post such things on RYL suggests to me an ulterior motive.
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Would it really hurt to just leave out some numbers and replace it with a * or x?
Or to not post things like, "that cut was so good." ?
I know, and understand that if you're feeling like this then you have every right to get it out and I agree that holding in such feelings can be hard + probably not good for you in the long run, but try to remember that RYL is supposed to be a safe place and to see *** or xxx or "that was so good" can possibly be triggering to some people..
I couldn't agree more with this. In fact, posts using multiple Xs or *s suggest to me an ulterior motive as well. If one wishes only to use an X or an * in order to replace numbers it should not be an issue to use only a single one. Wishing to use more suggests that you are indeed using more in order to suggest that they are replacing a high number.
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Originally Posted by TranquilChaos
The whole point of that forum is to have freedom of speech, to express yourself without boundaries, & to say how you really feel/what you really think, to be as brutally honest as you like, etc.
Now it's full of restrictions on those very things.
The whole point of RYL is to provide support and a sanctuary for sufferers to help each other. Unfortunately, RYL would not be fulfilling its purpose were it to allow any forum to go unmoderated. The restrictions are in place to protect sufferers. Again, if you wish to post completely freely, do so on your Livejournal, Tumblr, Blogger or endless others.
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Originally Posted by MeaCulpa
At one point, there were rules stating what jobs people with dark skin could do
We question things we are not sure are working in order to improve the community in which we are in. yes, this is to an lesser extent than race laws, but it's the same principle.
-removed-
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Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors
In response to "how can a cut be lovely, or a b/p session fantastic", I think what they mean is that the behaviour was "fantastic" in the sense that they feel relieved, or better after doing so,, they're not saying the behaviour itself is an amazing thing to do, but moreso the person's feelings after engaging in the behaviour.
But stating this feeling is precisely what is going to encourage a reader to do the same. Members of this forum who cut are (mostly) all here because they enjoy/ed cutting - a post containing such a comment as that of which you have given an example will potentially, as I said earlier, encourage a reader to do the same in order to achieve the same feeling.
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Originally Posted by yourockmysocks
If people say that their experience of something is fantastic and great, other people are gonna want to try that thing.
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Originally Posted by Rubik'sCube
That's their responsibility. If someone told you to murder because for them it was fantastic, would you do that?
Another obtuse analogy. Murder is considerably more extreme than self harm. It's like asking whether someone would jump from a cliff. Of course the average person isn't going to kill themselves because they were told to do it, but they might steal from a shop if there is enough pressure upon them to do so.
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Originally Posted by Pomegranate
I think there needs to be a balance between people having a degree of personal responsibility and people also considering other people's reactions. I think recognising that your own actions, self destructive or other wise may have a negative impact on people is just as much a part of 'recovery' as anything else. In the same way people blame other people for their reactions, they should also learn that their actions can contribute towards them and vice versa. I do accept that sometimes things are written or said in the 'heat of the moment', when people are feeling highly distressed or emotional but I think allowances are made for that.
This is a very good and well-made point.
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Originally Posted by RainbowsAndButterflies
Yes some rants are going into the pro side of things
BUT It's supposed to be our space, how WE feel,
RYL really shouldn't be a place where we have to think about what were typing but sadly in the last year we have to do this to "protect" people
RYL itself is a site for recovery. In order to achieve this, it has been decided that there need to be restrictions on what can be posted. RYL is a place where you should think about what you're typing. One has to consider others as well as oneself. That is RYL, if you wish to do otherwise there are various other websites where you can do so.
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