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Old 15-04-2009, 10:08 AM   #61
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Your college organised work experience?! Wow. We had to organise it ourselves.


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Old 15-04-2009, 10:17 AM   #62
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i think its good.... when i was in school we did something basicallally the same, work experience, wher you work for someone for a week to give you expeierience... we didnt get paid i did mine at the local rspca charity and i loved it, im all for it :)



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Old 15-04-2009, 11:46 AM   #63
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Your college organised work experience?! Wow. We had to organise it ourselves.
they didn't do it untill the last minuite though. mines not untill june which is probably a few weeks before we finish.



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Old 15-04-2009, 11:51 AM   #64
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My TAFE (more practical courses, certificates and diplomas instead of degrees like at uni) orgnised our pracs and stuff last minute.... but I organised my own becasue my teacher was going to give me a **** one cause they idn't lik me! LOL. SO I organised mine at the beginning of the year :P



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Old 15-04-2009, 12:01 PM   #65
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But they still did it!
We were told to do work experience, or rather, it'd look v. good if we did work experience - but we had to sort it out ourselves. Part of 'being a grown up' or something.

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Old 15-04-2009, 01:36 PM   #66
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i think that the way things are today, if you were to go do your community service with children, or the elderly, or anyone vulnerable, you would have to go through police checks and stuff which cost quite a lot of money.

and then there would be cases of 'so and so was made to paint walls in the rain and caught the flu and then failed one of his AS levels.. OMG SUE!!'

I think that in theory, it could be a really good idea, but i dont believe the mentality of a lot of todays society would allow it to be a success.

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Old 15-04-2009, 10:00 PM   #67
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haha CHarlie! I am a cso supervisor (I supervise court ordered community service orders for kids 10-18) and we don't make them work in weather we wouldn't work in. So if it's raining or freezing or boiling hot we don't make them work. And these aren't kids who want to be there by any stretch of the imagination. But often they do benefit from it!



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Old 16-04-2009, 01:24 AM   #68
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I wouldn't do it.

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Old 16-04-2009, 03:13 AM   #69
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I created my own position as work experiece. I'd just quit a job i should have been fired from. I told my potential boss that I had time and let him know what my skills were and offered him. Once my boss realised what I could do, he gave me opportunities to learn that most interns don't get.


When we needed a team of helpers, we worked with one of the science teachers at a local junior college. We added some background information and a bit of classroom instruction. They got credit with a grade, for a science class. So it was an exchange that helped us all.

In both of these it was community service, but we all benefited from it too.



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Old 16-04-2009, 05:02 PM   #70
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I wouldn't do it.
why not?

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Old 16-04-2009, 05:08 PM   #71
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Firstly because I don't want to do it.

Secondly, this would be so easy to evade, and my school would not give you detention for this.

I spend my time studying and completing my school work. I'm not going to put up with people forcing me to complete something that is not going to benefit me, minus looking good on my CV, which I have already filled with volunteer work which is relevent to my chosen career.
Yes, I am a self obsessed teenager.

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Old 16-04-2009, 05:15 PM   #72
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Firstly because I don't want to do it.

Secondly, this would be so easy to evade, and my school would not give you detention for this.

I spend my time studying and completing my school work. I'm not going to put up with people forcing me to complete something that is not going to benefit me, minus looking good on my CV, which I have already filled with volunteer work which is relevent to my chosen career.
Yes, I am a self obsessed teenager.
If you've already done volunteer work that is relevant then they wouldn't make you do more, I don't think.

If they made it so that both community service and work experience were included (or a mix of both) then there would be hundreds of things each person could do.

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Old 16-04-2009, 05:17 PM   #73
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I did like two hours once. It wasn't a lot at all, but then I got a major amount of coursework, and had to leave.

Our town doesn't do that, and in a lot of places, it's impossible. We have like 15 different choices for work experience.

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Old 16-04-2009, 05:27 PM   #74
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Well, two hours isn't a lot. Fifty is a substantial number and it really gives you something more out of it.

My town is a dive. I can think of fewer than fifteen places to work in, never mind do work experience with! That's excluded the bars, bookies and schools though. So you might need to go beyond your town, but that's life. Millions of people commute to work everyday.

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Old 16-04-2009, 05:44 PM   #75
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There's no way that would be funded though.
This whole plan is redundant, and would never be enforced.

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Old 16-04-2009, 07:01 PM   #76
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As has been mentioned by a few of the other people in the US, a number of mandatory hours of community service are often required for graduation. Where I graduated it was 40 hours, and they generally encouraged you to do 10 per year of high school. You could do it during the summer, but it had to be pre-approved before the end of the school year. Each grade had a faculty advisor, and they were the one in charge of helping students and collecting the slips we had to get signed when we were done with the service.

Organizations and groups in our area knew about this requirement and would let the school know when they had community service opportunities open so it was fairly easy to find stuff. You could also get it through school organized projects, like trash pick ups, volunteering to help set up and clean up for plays and concerts, helping with the awards banquet, or with the Graduation Tea.

The schools definition of community service was pretty wide, I got hours for helping a family friend clean up after their house burned down, and for helping the fire department with their annual open house/pie auction (I served the ice cream ) among a variety of other things.

If a student had hardship problems, like their family didn't own a car (there was no public transport where I lived) the school would help them find projects they could do without having to travel, like making signs or flyers.

I grew up in a small town and there were still a pretty good variety of community service options available to people. If students refused to do the community service they were only given "Certificate of Attendance" at the end of high school, instead of a Diploma. In all the time I was there I can't remember a single person who got all the way to graduation and hadn't done any community service so they got the certificate instead. Students who moved to our school were assigned a number of hours based on years until graduation. So if they moved there at the begining of the 3rd year of high school, they were assigned 20 hours instead of 40.

I don't have a problem with it at all. Yes it seems silly that they are saying voluntary work is going to be compulsory, but I think people are being nit-picky about the words being used rather than actually focusing on the issue.

I think that requiring teenagers to get involved in their community can benefit everyone involved. It can help teens see there there is more to life, and that they really do have the ability to have an impact. It can also help teens be exposed to a variety of different kinds of people and situations, which is always good for life expereince. It teaches responsibility and also teaches how important it is for people to help each other.



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Old 16-04-2009, 07:22 PM   #77
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Does the UK allow homeschooling/dropping out at age 16?

Assuming so, then they would have to do the community service as well, because it's everyone under 19. Since they don't have a school system for discipline, that would mean they'd get jail time/probation, wouldn't it?




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Old 16-04-2009, 09:00 PM   #78
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^ I don't know whether it's implemented yet or not, but education is remaining compulsory until the age of 18 soon.
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Jo, in the UK do people get some sort of degree or diploma when they finish secondary school?



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Old 16-04-2009, 09:21 PM   #80
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You get GCSEs at 16, A-levels (which kind-of work out the equivalent of a diploma) at 18 - and when they introduce the new compulsory schooling 'til 18, they'll come out with a diploma, too.

It's not a degree, though - that's the higher classification.

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