What will reading those show people? I can't imagine I and others want to clutter our own interests and reading lists with something in which we hold little faith.
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I find it ironic that You have a bible quote in your sig hehe
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Again, why?
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I CBA going to find the quote you made coz im on an iPad and I can't work it prop. But you said something about not having faith in things that they don't believe in and so forth or something of that sort andir was just amusing that you have a bible quote which is basically the same thing, faith in something that can't be proven.
What JodiE wrote. I hold very little faith in the Bible but I think it's important to read and understand something so that I can come to the conclusion that I still hold very little faith in it.
There is no more evidence for the Bible than there is in Psychotherapy - both rely on faith to an extent, and yet you don't give one any consideration at all but are willing to not only accept another but are openly and obviously supporting it (by having it in your signature).
It's not a dig at you and not intending to start a religious war, I just also found it amusing that you were talking about a faith or lack of, and cluttering one's reading list by reading things in which people disagreed with or disbelieved.
It's kind-of unimportant but wanted to clarify what I found ironic about it, so that you didn't think it was a personal insult or anything.
I also feel that Carrie is perhaps petrified of what she might open up in her own therapy, and it maybe feels 'safe' to her to kind of 'trash' therapy in general as a protection against that terror.
That's my experienced perspective. Take it or leave it. I don't charge for it. :)
Yeah that actually seems quite likely.
More a personal vendetta against therapy, than it being that Carrie has a set of definitive ideas about why exactly it's so useless.
Stop thinking about what I want, what he wants, what your parents want. What do you want?
My therapist was always aware of how I was at the end of each therapy session - happy, sad, unsafe, suicidal, ok. She tried to match endings to what I was going home to.
If she knew my friend was in the car with me for the drive home (40 minutes) and that night then she would have a 'deeper' session, a more heavy session with me. If I was driving home alone and wasn't seeing anyone till the next day (I saw her in the afternoons) she would end on a lighter note.
She once said that she was acutely aware of how I was when I left the room each week and my home circumstances after each session. So indepth discussions about sexual abuse would go as far as my afterward situation dictated.
I wish I still had her. I miss her. And I'm angry that our therapy was not ended by us but by unforseeable and unchangeable circumstances and managerial bastards.
My two pennies worth anyhow.
GRANT ME THE SERENITY TO ACCEPT THE THINGS I CANNOT CHANGE
THE COURAGE TO CHANGE THE THINGS I CAN
AND THE WISDOM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE
That's the mark of a good therapist. My clinical psychologist was the same. She'd always ask me how ifelt at the end of a session and if ther was anything I wished to discuss before leaving At the start, she would leave it up to me to a degree to make a few points about what I wanted to discuss.
I have a care coordinator and psychiatrist now and neither really gives me the chance to make direct contriburiotns, though the CC is better. She always asked me if there anything she needs to be worried about, or if anything in particular is on my mind.
Communication isthe important thing. If you don't both communicate, that's when issues arrive and it can be negative.
There is no more evidence for the Bible than there is in Psychotherapy - both rely on faith to an extent
I would disagree. There is plenty of empirical evidence for psychotherapy. Meta-analyses show that psychotherapy is effective for 66-71% of clients, which is 25% higher than for surgical/medical procedures. In contrast, only the historical parts of the Bible can be proven scientifically. Without getting into a religious debate on whether or not religious ideas need to be proven, I respect that the faith thing comes into it and all. My point is that there is scientific evidence for much of psychology (I would say "all", but a lot of people seem to think psychology and psychoanalysis is all the same thing, and I'm not a fan of psychoanalysis, so yes. BTW, Psychoanalysis is not Psychology. It's a different discipline. [Grrr.])
What JodiE wrote. I hold very little faith in the Bible but I think it's important to read and understand something so that I can come to the conclusion that I still hold very little faith in it.
There is no more evidence for the Bible than there is in Psychotherapy - both rely on faith to an extent, and yet you don't give one any consideration at all but are willing to not only accept another but are openly and obviously supporting it (by having it in your signature).
It's not a dig at you and not intending to start a religious war, I just also found it amusing that you were talking about a faith or lack of, and cluttering one's reading list by reading things in which people disagreed with or disbelieved.
It's kind-of unimportant but wanted to clarify what I found ironic about it, so that you didn't think it was a personal insult or anything.
So you're saying you've read the bible cover to cover then come to your conclusion?
"Everything is possible through Christ, who gives me strength". Phillipians 4:13
Yeah that actually seems quite likely.
More a personal vendetta against therapy, than it being that Carrie has a set of definitive ideas about why exactly it's so useless.
Definitely not scared of it. Tried it, pile of crap and psychobabble and not at all helpful in helping me change my behaviours. Luckily I am trying dbt in the new year which is far more practical and about changing my behaviours and thinking.
"Everything is possible through Christ, who gives me strength". Phillipians 4:13
Definitely not scared of it. Tried it, pile of crap and psychobabble and not at all helpful in helping me change my behaviours. Luckily I am trying dbt in the new year which is far more practical and about changing my behaviours and thinking.
Well, judging by the attitude that I can see here, I'm not surprised it didn't work. You need motivation to change. Nobody's going to be able to change you if you don't want to change. You're a person with your own will, not an object that a therapist can take and fix. I know that if someone tried psychoanalysis on me, it would definitely not work because my own opinion of it is that it's bullshit (no offence to people who do like it). In contrast, CBT did work, because it made sense to me personally. It's your own beliefs and motivation that make it work, as well as the actual techniques.
I hope your attitude towards the DBT stays positive, because otherwise it's not going to be any different to your previous experience of therapy.
Well whatever you think about psychotherapy, I'm not sure why you feel the need to be quite so derogatory sounding about it.
It seems to me like you just don't understand psychotherapy, but it might be better to just accept it's beyond you rather than be so critical about something you don't get.
If you can't see how hypocritical your signature is after more than one person has taken the time to give you an easy-to-understand explanation why, then reading about psychotherapy, for you, must have been like dealing with a sheet of hieroglyphs.
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Stop thinking about what I want, what he wants, what your parents want. What do you want?
Ive seen my therapist on and off for about two years...the first year was mainly about DBT,,,that didnt work for me, I didnt want to learn how to cope with the emotions brought about from things that had happened in my past...I left. I have since started again and I know as does my therapist that there are many complex issues that need to be worked through.....this approach is better for me and will hopefully lead to me coping better and possibly getting well.
So I tried DBT and it didnt work. Im now trying the psychotherapy approach (or will be when i can afford to see her again) I guess im reliant on her helping me to get well..but i think we will both know when its time to stop
Religion doesnt come into it for me because im not a religious person. But I can see how it can help and support people with beliefs and there is nothing wrong with that at all...surely whatever helps people, supports people, its worth trying...I think we are all entitled to find our own way of trying to get well with whatever help we need and noone should be judged just because its a different method to what you use
I think everyone has their own beliefs and faiths etc. I was brought up a strict christian but 'dumped' that religeon as soon as I could when I was 18.
I am now more philisophical and spiritual than religeous. I think everything happens for a reason (I have to or I would go mad) and what goes around comes around. Also lying will catch up with you and bite you on the bum eventually. 'The truth will set you free' My mum and I came up with that - but she don't know about the abuse.
Anyhow, my point is that regardless of the above therapy is therapy. It doesen't surf on my beliefs, or religeon, it's completely different to both and cannot be defined by either.
If you actually want to improve or recover you need an open mind and set your beliefs aside briefly. Don't hide behind them, quote them, or argue their point. Because if you do that you are detracting from what has really, genuinely fu*ked you up.
GRANT ME THE SERENITY TO ACCEPT THE THINGS I CANNOT CHANGE
THE COURAGE TO CHANGE THE THINGS I CAN
AND THE WISDOM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE
This may or may not be relevant.
Before I started depth psychotherapy I was heavily involved in a yoga sect. I was overdoing some really quite heavy spiritual practices [some centring around Kundalini Yoga] that drew out my illness and 'splitting' between dark and light/good and bad even more. On the one hand I was trying to be 'super spiritual' and on the other hand I was literally beating myself up for not being 'pure' enough.
It took time, but therapy enabled me to see what I'd been doing. For several years at least, I really pushed away all the spiritual stuff in my life. I refused to have anything to do with it.
And now, in the past year or so, I'm reclaiming my spirituality, seeing it from a more grounded perspective, understanding my previous obsession with the Divine Feminine and the darker moments of borderline psychosis.
But my relationship to the spiritual is different to then, I'm still attracted to the same deities, [I'm pantheistic, and proud] but this is in a connected, meaningful way. It's been a long, painful journey to get there. But it has happened naturally, not in any planned or engineered way.
Well whatever you think about psychotherapy, I'm not sure why you feel the need to be quite so derogatory sounding about it.
It seems to me like you just don't understand psychotherapy, but it might be better to just accept it's beyond you rather than be so critical about something you don't get.
If you can't see how hypocritical your signature is after more than one person has taken the time to give you an easy-to-understand explanation why, then reading about psychotherapy, for you, must have been like dealing with a sheet of hieroglyphs.
I can't see how my signature is hypocritical and am offended that people feel the need to attack it for no good reason. This thread is about therapy and being too reliant on it, not about my signature.
I'm not being derogatory, I'm voicing concerns about people being over reliant on it and found it useless myself.
I believe your last paragraph is an attack on my intelligence and is unfair and unfounded.
"Everything is possible through Christ, who gives me strength". Phillipians 4:13
If im honest Carrie, I dont see that whatever you put in your signature has any bearing on this thread which is meant to be about the length of therapy and how healthy/unhealthy or how helpful/unhelpful it is.
I hope the thread gets back on track because its quite interesting x
it appears to me that you're not really 'debating' anything as you've made it clear that you think therapy that lasts over 12 months means someone is over reliant on a therapist.
unstructured talking therapies aren't for everyone, but it doesnt remove the reality that they do provide assistance to many people. more task centered therapies offer much support to others too like you mentioned. the real difference is those modalities focus on one specific goal and once complete it terminates leaving the need for therapy to recommence should another goal be identified.
life isn't about finding yourself, it's about creating yourself.
I don't believe I have said anything over 12 months is too long and I am also asking whether it is healthy to have such an attachment to one therapist.
"Everything is possible through Christ, who gives me strength". Phillipians 4:13
