I won't join in the discussion about the number of mods, as good points have been made from both perspectives. HOWEVER, what I will say is that I feel a greater 'variety' of mods should be sought for. Mods from different spectrums of RYL: Old members, and active newer members. The mods should be visible on RYL, so getting people who post alot in a variety of boards should be seen as a priority.
More mods wouldnt really solve the problem of being more active anyway,because they would do the same as we do (IE,check all the mod boards,edit posts etc) and then go to the other boards afterwards. To be honest somedays I only come on for an hour and as much as i want to post in GC or whatever, all my time is taken up on the mod boards and i dont think that would change much with more mods.
But we have taken on board what everyone is saying and we know that sometimes it seems like were not participating properly etc.
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Originally Posted by Mrs Sam
i agree with liv that i dont think more mods would make a difference to activity on the main boards purely because i think its something that mods have to make an effort to do and for me anyway its not related to how busy i am on mod stuff really. i do agree with chels though that it wouldnt hurt having more of a mod presence around.
If there are 5 mods, and 25 post reports, each mod has to deal with 5 reports before they can do anything else. Increase that to 10 mods, and each mod doesn't even had to do 2.
More mods mean the workload is distributed more. If the workload is distributed more, the mods won't be as busy. Leaving more time to be active in the community.
Well it breaks my heart to see you this way,
The beauty in life, where's it gone?
And somebody told me you were doing okay,
Somehow I guess they were wrong.
There are times to stay put, and what you want will come to you.
But there are times to go out into the world and find such a thing for yourself.
I aint no abacus but you can count on me.
But, mods don't deal with post reports individually, so surely that example is void? I kind-of understand where you're coming from... But also, especially on matters that are borderline as to whether they're rulebreaking, more moderators would mean more opinion, which would mean more discussion, which would mean less time on the forums.
Why do people feel that more mods are needed somewhat urgently - considering the tone of some of the posts on this thread?
I mean - it seems that we, as mods, think more mods could be beneficial, but that it isn't desperately needed right now... But if you guys think they are, why do you think that?
I didn't mean it literally! It was meant as an example to illustrate how more mods = less work for everyone.
More discussion doesn't have to equal more time either. There is a prudent time frame to deal with issues, even if it means not every single mod gets to have their say. If someone is waiting to take action because they want to make sure at least 2 other mods agree, than having more mods can mean things get done quicker because more mods are online.
I'm concerned because by the time the mods agree that they need to do something, how many mods are going to be left? It's not that it is urgent, but it's much more prudent to be proactive than reactive.
As with Chelsea, you guys all know how I feel. You are obviously no more willing to listen now than you were a few months ago, and there is no point in continuing to argue with you about it.
Last edited by Aidee : 08-03-2009 at 08:54 PM.
Well it breaks my heart to see you this way,
The beauty in life, where's it gone?
And somebody told me you were doing okay,
Somehow I guess they were wrong.
Again Aidey how do you know we're not listening? You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes so you cant really just jump in there and presume we're not doing anything. In fact the complete opposite is true.
plus its not arguing,its a discussion....completely different.
There are times to stay put, and what you want will come to you.
But there are times to go out into the world and find such a thing for yourself.
I aint no abacus but you can count on me.
Nice try Sam, but every other mod who has posted in this thread has said that you guys weren't even considering looking for more mods. On top of that, I know you guys aren't listening because you're still coming up with excuses about why its too difficult to look for new mods, or how they really would increase your work.
I flat out said months ago to start looking for more mods because by the time they were ready, mods will have left. And everyone threw a fit and said there was no reason, there were more than enough mods. Now look where we are, we're down at least 2 mods, if not more. All I can really say is I told you so. I frankly don't care if you listen or not, but either way, I'm done.
Well it breaks my heart to see you this way,
The beauty in life, where's it gone?
And somebody told me you were doing okay,
Somehow I guess they were wrong.
I just wanted to know if mods were being introduced to replace those who'd left. That was all >.< I wasn't saying we need more mods! Just asking if the ranks were going to be filled so they were the same number.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
Admitting not actively looking for new mods =/= not listening to and considering what you are saying.
Yes, we've lost two mods. It's not the end of the world, it's not a great tragedy. They are missed, and they did a lot - but, we're coping. More than that, we're managing, I think, quite finely. As I said before, please do outline why you think we need more mods (rather than just numbers, as equations of workload =/= real life people), so that we can understand why you think that we need them.
This thread has been very interesting for me, personally, to read - as much as anything else, to know that some people think that we are doing a good job (okay, slight paraphrase there :P) - or at least, that people seem to think we're coping okay with the workload.
If you send a report, it's very rare that it's not acted on fairly quickly. If you send an email - unless it's a tech query, in which case I don't have a clue! - it gets dealt with fairly quickly. The delay in response time is 99% of the time due to discussion, and not to ignorance.
I don't think we're making excuses at all. I'm speaking honestly, in that I simply feel, as part of the mod team, that we do not need new moderators at this very moment. We're looking, and we're considering - but we're not jumping in and making decisions right now. As I did say, if you please do outline why you think we need more moderators, I would be more than happy to reconsider.
Jess - I got what you originally meant, no worries! And the answer is that right at this minute, no new moderators are going to be introduced to replace the old ones.
However, in my time at RYL, I don't think I ever remember a situation where new moderators were instated to replace moderators that have left. Simply that new moderators are introduced when they felt the time was right, and when they came to a conclusive decision.
But thank you for making this thread, Jess - it has been really interesting.
I think having more mods around/online gives a sense of security to the community. I also think that the mods that we have right now, have to be busy doing their modly duties, and it's to the point where, I know I for one, don't even think of you as members. I just think of you as mods. I don't think I've really seen any of the forum mods post on a non-controversial thread/f&c? thread, and that saddens me, because knowing that the "authorities" are real people, supporting people and getting support just like you, makes them seem less like just people who reprimand you.
So I think, even if you're coping with the workload right now, it removes you from being members. So adding new mods, could go either way. It could remove more members from being active on the member front, or it could mean that more mods could act as members, and not just mods.
I think the best people to comment on wether more mods are needed or not are the mods themselves. As only they know their true workloads and what difference new mods could make to the team. It seems kind of disrespectful to them to say that we must need more, as it seems to be saying that they are not doing enough.
I guess why i was wondering if a couple mods would be introduced to make up the numbers with mods that have left is becasue you guys have said before that you are under a huge load. I know I don't know what goes on behind the scenes but you yourselves have said that you are under a huge workload. And when individually you're stressed about stuff outside of ryl, I imagine that would make having to come on here even harder. I don't know if that makes sense but yeah, that's why I was wondering
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
Surely the mods are best placed to be aware of their own workload? If they were under strain or spotted good people they'd be the first to seek extra staff.
It strikes me that some people are just peeved that they haven't been modded....
As always Rainy speaks what everyone else is thinking.
Surely the mods are best placed to be aware of their own workload? If they were under strain or spotted good people they'd be the first to seek extra staff.
It strikes me that some people are just peeved that they haven't been modded....
Well Said.
At the moment pretty much everything is up to date. The only things that take a bit longer are issues that are a bit more complicated and require a bit more investigation or whatever.
At the moment pretty much everything is up to date. The only things that take a bit longer are issues that are a bit more complicated and require a bit more investigation or whatever.
Which kind of shows us that the mods are coping with the work load and that no more are needed for the time being.
I've seen a few people say that mods should be more active on the forums and they are active on them. I've seen them giving support and posting in general threads, so they are there and they are active.
The only problem I have with the mods is that on v.2 it wasn't unexpected to get a reply to your thread by a mod. Within 3 months of joining I had 2 replies by 2 different mods on 2 of my threads.
I'm not saying they don't post on threads, but it's become more of an exception than the rule, and that's a shame.
