Things like this make me sick. This happened in Derby a few years ago and a similar thing happened outside of Coventry too (thankfully in the latter case, the police saved the man).
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Originally Posted by LavaLamp.
This is really awful!
My friends dad was a Fireman and was being made to stay late after his shift because there was a guy standing on the roof of the building, so my friends dad shouted at the guy to jump and he did. The guy died from his injuries so my friends dad lost his job and now has to live with the fact he provoked a man into committing suicide.
I am absolutely shocked by the behaviour of people!
No offence to you, but he absolutely deserved to lose his job. That was completely unprofessional (as a fireman) but completely cruel.
It's messed up in this country that you can be charged with manslaughter for helping a terminally ill person in a lot of pain to kill themselves, but if you callously goad a vulnerable person into killing themselves in public you get off scot free. It should be a criminal offence imo.
It'd be interesting to see how many people on this website might get involved in the mob mentality if the situation arose. I'm sure it'd be far more than people expect.
^ I don't know, we aren't exactly a normal demographic are we, I think that given the fact that a lot of people here could empathise in a way the general population can't with the issue of suicide that there would be less people drawn into that mob mentality in this particular situation.
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Good point, but the counter argument would be that people here are on the whole more emotionally unstable and impressionable and so more likely to get involved in the mob mentality. I still maintain that people would be surprised by how they might respond in this situation.
Good point, but the counter argument would be that people here are on the whole more emotionally unstable and impressionable and so more likely to get involved in the mob mentality. I still maintain that people would be surprised by how they might respond in this situation.
I'm sure I raised something similar, or maybe I just thought I did.
How many people on here would speak up against the mob mentality? I'd say very few, because it's just really not the done thing.
I don't know if I would stand up against mob mentality, but I would be absolutely horrified to see it and I would NEVER ever join in. I know enough about myself to be very sure of that.
Good point, but the counter argument would be that people here are on the whole more emotionally unstable and impressionable and so more likely to get involved in the mob mentality. I still maintain that people would be surprised by how they might respond in this situation.
I would have disagreed with you and would have upheld the belief that people would always do the right thing, if given half a chance, but then I studied the bystander effect in Psychology and became a lot more jaded. Given the occurrances of cases where people have been beaten up or murdered (Kitty something?) and nobody spoke up, I think that people are more influenced to go along with the crowd, following the mob mentality. It's a scary thought and I hope that I would speak out but I don't think you can ultimately say that you would, in accordance with the case studies.
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I remember studying that, it's terrifying. In a similar vein I found the subway experiment very disturbing (how few people helped the man who had fallen).
'Never forget what you are. The rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you.'
['There is only one thing we say to death. Not today'.']
'We are each our own devil, and we make this world our hell. Oscar Wilde
Its hard to dance with the devil on your back. Sydney Carter
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I remember studying that, it's terrifying. In a similar vein I found the subway experiment very disturbing (how few people helped the man who had fallen).
I think that's why I remember studying it, because I found it so shocking.
I saw a guy fall at a station at the weekend. I didn't personally help but only because about 5 other people had already stopped and helped him up. So there are still good people.
On the other hand my nan has a friend who is diabetic and had occasionally been having a hypo on the street and sat down on the kerb and people have just assumed she's an alcoholic (one of the symptoms is slurred speech, and/or not making much logical sense) and ignored her.
It's not that people are bad, as such, it's more that the mob mentality can alter people's ability to sort situations out and stand up as an isolated force. That's due to many things; self-consciousness and fear being simply two of them. I think that the result is dependent on a lot of factors.
I saw a guy fall at a station at the weekend. I didn't personally help but only because about 5 other people had already stopped and helped him up. So there are still good people.
On the other hand my nan has a friend who is diabetic and had occasionally been having a hypo on the street and sat down on the kerb and people have just assumed she's an alcoholic (one of the symptoms is slurred speech, and/or not making much logical sense) and ignored her.
I think a lot of the time is simply people not knowing what to do, and the fear of possible getting things wrong, or getting hurt themselves.
Just this morning I was walking to the train station when a man who was staggering across the road (not too uncommon in these here parts) fell. I could hear the dunk of his head hitting the road from across the junction. Three neds/chavs/yobs/whateveryouwanttocallthem ran over to see if he was ok and made an attempt to get him onto the pavement, or at least out of the middle of both lanes. Then he started taking a fit. I called an ambulance, and luckily a police van was coming the other way. But the four of us didn't know what to do and were almost rooted to the spot. Not one car stopped to help. They continued to simply drive around this man and the four of us trying to shield him from the cars, whilst keeping his head out of a water-logged pothole. It wasn't a pleasant experience, and to be honest, I don't really blame those people who walk on.
Me and Flem once were in a tube station when some guy just faceplanted the floor, spilt his chicken and didn't move. A few people stopped to help and whilst they did, we went to get a station person so they could come and assess the guy.
He was drunk. He wasted good chicken. Me and Flem still got home on time.
There are a few good people about, but then again, there are just as many bad ones. At least in the UK we can't (or rarely) get sued for helping someone out, unlike America.
I remember when I was at london bridge there was a lady in a suit staggering round the station. This was at about 10pm on a thursday or friday and I heard someone next to me say something about her being drunk. But she looked so distressed that I very nearly stopped her to ask if she was alright. Instead I trailed her until she went into the little M&S and a member of staff noticed she wasnt well. I wouldve thought I would never have followed someone to make sure they were alright, I like finding out stuff like that about myself :3 x
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But there are times to go out into the world and find such a thing for yourself.
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Thing is in Sunderland this happens a LOT.
Most notably from the bridge, there are always reports of it and I remember when it happened and I was out. Our student accomodation was by the river and apparently the whole lot were just stood there watching as they fell. I don't understand how anyone could watch tbh!
Another time someone made a sarcy status on Facebook about them running from the cops and jumping.
I don't understand how human's work sometimes. However, if someone wants to die, I guess nothing will stop them. But shouting at them to jump...whole different matter.
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