I think it just depends on the person as to how much they want to block out the resemblance of meat in their food.
As exemplified with Demons to Some's post :)
Not sure what the last line of your post is about.
Then it's nothing to do with ethics, though. If you think eating something that looks like meat is 'icky', you don't eat pretend meat because you don't like it, not because it's unethical to do so.
Sorry, I don't mean to get wound up and take it out on you here, it's just that it's this lack of logic that makes people think that vegetarians are really stupid ("Oh, so you're vegetarian, I guess you don't want me eating meat in front of you then... Are you going to be funny about that?! Do you mind if I put my meat in the same fridge as your vegetarian food?", "Oh you're vegetarian! So I guess you don't like people killing animals then - what about when you kill a lettuce to eat it?" etc. [actual comments I've had in the last couple of weeks - I think I must hang around with stupid people!]).
By all means, be vegetarian for whatever reason you want to be, but work out why you do and don't like eating certain foods, don't just label it as 'ethics!' when it's not.
Lol, the last line was just my bad attempt at pointing out that ethics don't really apply to fake meat products.
I personally want to go back to being vegetarian because:
I really like the food :p
It's good for youuu.
I like pigs & I do feel quite guilty when I eat them.
It sort of seems to me like vegetarian meals are a lot more... nice. That sounds really gay but I mean, like, I love vegetables & spicy stuff & vegetarians/vegans do seem in general to have more variety of foods in their diet than the meat-eaters I know. That's a gross generalisation, but I want to try more things.
So being vegetarian or vegan isn't necessarily about ethics. It might just be you don't like meat, or you prefer eating those kinds of meals, or a million other reasons.
Then it's nothing to do with ethics, though. If you think eating something that looks like meat is 'icky', you don't eat pretend meat because you don't like it, not because it's unethical to do so.
Sorry, I don't mean to get wound up and take it out on you here, it's just that it's this lack of logic that makes people think that vegetarians are really stupid ("Oh, so you're vegetarian, I guess you don't want me eating meat in front of you then... Are you going to be funny about that?! Do you mind if I put my meat in the same fridge as your vegetarian food?", "Oh you're vegetarian! So I guess you don't like people killing animals then - what about when you kill a lettuce to eat it?" etc. [actual comments I've had in the last couple of weeks - I think I must hang around with stupid people!]).
By all means, be vegetarian for whatever reason you want to be, but work out why you do and don't like eating certain foods, don't just label it as 'ethics!' when it's not.
Lol, the last line was just my bad attempt at pointing out that ethics don't really apply to fake meat products.
Huge apols for the major vent there.
No worries.
I agree that it's no longer to do with ethics. I think it's psychological rather than sensibly linked to them at all.
Some vegetarians do have issues with sharing a fridge that has meat in it etc. I think they're few and far between though and it's silly to tar every vegetarian with the same brush.
Stop thinking about what I want, what he wants, what your parents want. What do you want?
I want my own cow!
i am veggie and i eat fake meat mainly because at tessco its cheap and i do like it but i eat other veggie foods too
i became veggie because i felt it was wrong to eat animals
i eat fake meat because i know its fake
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Personally I think (I've been vegetarian for about 13 years now) if I eat beef or pork, I don't see that as being any different to eating dog or cat or other pets. I love dogs and don't see me eating chicken as any different to me eating my Mom's dogs, but that's just my opinions on myself eating meat. I don't see me eating a labrador as any different to me eating a chicken. I would never eat meat as I feel it's wrong, for me, to kill other animals to feed myself when I can get food without killing animals.
I have no problem atall with others eating meat, my Partner eats meat. I have no problem with eating my veggie food with others who are eating meat. I will keep my food with foods containing meat as long as certain conditions are adhered to (keeping them in separate containers, not mixing them etc.)
I feel for me, eating meat is wrong. I would like to stress I don't feel others eating meat is wrong, I only really care about what goes onto my plate. That's why I don't like vegetarian substitutes that are too much like meat, because I associate meat with being wrong, and if it's veggie but feels wrong I just don't like it.
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I've been vegetarian for about 9 or 10 years now because I can't stand the thought that an animal has been bred and killed so I can eat it. I don't understand that, given there are ways around it. I love fake meat. I don't tend to associate it with the real stuff because I know it's fake, and I like the majority of it (other than tofu) :).
I have lots of Quorn, Quorn burgers and chicken pieces, sometimes Quorn mince. Quite nice and lots of protein. You need it if you're veggie
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sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant with the weak and wrong because sometime in your life you will have been all of these."
In regards to vegetarians not having enough protein, soy protein is considered a complete protein containing all the amino acids you need.
Edit, I've read that soy protein has a higher protein rating by the WHO (World Health Organisation) then lean beef. It contains everything you need with much lower levels of cholesterol and fat.
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Yeah, lol. Some people are just controversial for the sake of it.
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Sorry, I don't mean to get wound up and take it out on you here, it's just that it's this lack of logic that makes people think that vegetarians are really stupid ("Oh, so you're vegetarian, I guess you don't want me eating meat in front of you then... Are you going to be funny about that?! Do you mind if I put my meat in the same fridge as your vegetarian food?", "Oh you're vegetarian! So I guess you don't like people killing animals then - what about when you kill a lettuce to eat it?" etc. [actual comments I've had in the last couple of weeks - I think I must hang around with stupid people!]).
Joooo!See people may be stupid for asking those questions, I know theyre not the type of questions Id ever ask....
That is until I met someone who cried when there was meat in the fridge,refused to use any utensil in the kitchen that had ever touched meat and had a three hour meltdown/walkout when my housemate and I were eating steak.
So now I'll probably ask some of those stupid questions :P x
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But there are times to go out into the world and find such a thing for yourself.
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I don't mind questions, I'd never not share a fridge with a non-veggie (my Partner who I live with isn't veggie).
I'd never not eat with someone who was eating meat (I once ate with someone who was eating an entire cooked sheep's head, eyes and tongue and everything, my food didn't go down as easily but my wine sure did )
I don't eat Quorn all that much. But if I'm feeling low on protein, and don't have much time to cook properly then I eat it.
My boyfriend likes the Quorn meatballs because they are microwavable and so take like 1 minute to cook compared to meat ones.
I don't have a problem as such with other people eating meat. I will even cook meat for them if I have to.
But I agree with someone else (I think it was Demons for Some) that I don't see any difference between eating a cow and eating a horse. Makes me laugh when meat eaters are outraged at Chinese/Koreans eating dog, when they eat lamb etc quite happily.
I've lived over half my life being veggie (ate chicken and fish til I was 11 but no red meat) and I am perfectly healthy.
For me the issue is with the whole farming of animals. If I had to kill a rabbit to survive then I think I could. But I don't think people should eat something they are not prepared to kill, and since I can live quite happily and healthily without killing anything then I'd rather do that.
In olden days (Vikings etc) meat was a rare treat, not something to be eaten everyday. If you are going to eat meat then doing so only two or three days a week, and sourcing meat directly from a good butcher (or do what a friend does and keep your own sheep) is the healthiest way.
For me the issue is with the whole farming of animals. If I had to kill a rabbit to survive then I think I could. But I don't think people should eat something they are not prepared to kill, and since I can live quite happily and healthily without killing anything then I'd rather do that.
I guess it's easy to detach the meat they buy from the animal. I respect someone who will hunt, kill, skin, cook and eat their own meat and use every bit of the animal, more so than someone who buys something pre-packaged from the supermarket that bears no resemblance to the animal it was.
Then it's nothing to do with ethics, though. If you think eating something that looks like meat is 'icky', you don't eat pretend meat because you don't like it, not because it's unethical to do so.
Sorry, I don't mean to get wound up and take it out on you here, it's just that it's this lack of logic
Take what out on me? It's not even my opinion, I just happen to understand that POV, lol.
Stop thinking about what I want, what he wants, what your parents want. What do you want?
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