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Old 13-10-2008, 07:55 PM   #21
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This is going way to far i mean there is salt in everything these days, it wouldn't surprise me if salt was added to jam to preserve the nutriants while it is stored for the weeks and months people keep it stocked away in their fridges and cupboards.

Something tells me the British government is taking this life expectancy thing too far i mean, we are already on average expected to live to the age of 85 with an influx on both ends of the spectrum. Though the government are also the ones complaining our country is too full due to too many people living too long, surely it would make sense to let us all eat what we want and let natural selection pick us off from heart attacks and stroke, bringing back the balance in this country.

Firstly, jam does not contain salt, sugar is a preservative in it's own right!

Also about natural selection picking people off, have you seen a stroke victim, my grandad suffered from several and it didn't cause him to die, it just left one half of his body paralysed and made it difficult for him to talk. He survived for 20 years after his first stroke, just his quality of life had deteriorated massively. Also do you have any idea how much of a burdern on the NHS care for things such as heart attacks and strokes costs? It's in the governments best interests to keep people healthy as it cuts down on hospital bills. By all means eat as much salt as you want in your own form of slow suicide, but don't encourage others.

And with the advent of celebrity chefs encouraging people to eat healthier, it is perfectly possible to eat fresh healthy foods on a budget, I spent £5 to £7 a week on food and I eat mostly fresh vegetables. Healthy food does not need to be time consuming either, for my tea this evening I had stirfry and couscous, the whole dinner must have taken 15 combined prep and cooking time, you'd be waiting in the chippy longer! That fresh food is difficult and expensive is a complete fallacy used to excuse peoples ignorance and laziness.





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Old 13-10-2008, 08:59 PM   #22
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It is expensive to buy the best quality meat/veg/organic healthy food, which is what people are trying to get us to do.

No, I don't eat takeouts, but it's still very expensive for my mum, as a single mum, to buy three of us extra quality healthy food that yuo have to make from scratch.

Schools are getting way too sensitive about this, aswell as jacking up prices for the healthy food in the canteen.

I mean, come on, the healthy food is around £2, yet chips/burger is about 90p.

Which are people going to go for?

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Old 13-10-2008, 09:02 PM   #23
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That fresh food is difficult and expensive is a complete fallacy used to excuse peoples ignorance and laziness.
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People just need to be taught food that they can cook...

If kids are forever being told they can't have that, can't have that, they're going to grow up either avoiding alot of things like the plague or just sneaking food into schools, then, nobody knows what they are eating, at least if it was provided, they can limit the amount of certain foods...

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Old 13-10-2008, 09:18 PM   #24
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To be honest, I'm more shocked a school has a breakfast club O_O



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Old 13-10-2008, 10:16 PM   #25
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To be honest, I'm more shocked a school has a breakfast club O_O
More at primary schools, so parents can shove kids in earlier so they can get off to work




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Old 14-10-2008, 12:13 AM   #26
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My school used to have the snack/tuck shop selling some breakfast style stuffs in the mornings.

It was **** though and a waste of money, the only thing worth £1 was the packet of cereal with milk and a spoon by Kelloggs! =D





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A ban on pupils having sugar in their cups of tea at a school canteen has been lifted - in favour of a "two sugars" rule.
Sixth-formers at Tonypandy Community College had protested at the ban and were supported by their head teacher.
Now pupils have been told they can take sugar - providing it is not more than two spoonfuls.
Earlier, Rhondda Cynon Taf Council said it was following guidance but pupils could add their own sweeteners. <!-- E SF -->
This is the latest issue over healthy food guidance to come to light at Welsh schools in recent weeks.
Bought-in tomato ketchup is off the menu at Vale of Glamorgan primary schools while Marmite is banned from Ceredigion's school breakfast clubs due to worries over salt content.
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Students at the secondary school in Tonypandy, Rhondda, had spoken of being "amazed" at being told they couldn't have any sugar in tea.
"If you were told that at a local cafe you would walk out in disgust," said one.
Pupils had threatened to boycott the canteen and go to local cafes instead.
Head teacher Stephen Parry said there had already been a sharp decline in pupils having school meals since healthier food was introduced.
Emma-Jayne Morgan, 16, chair of the student council, wrote to the Rhondda Leader on behalf of a group of sixth-formers to raise students' concerns and is supported by the school's head teacher.
"I know of several parents whose children refuse to stay in school for lunch, and many of these parents will not let their children eat school meals," she wrote.
"This is not the way to tackle obesity and health problems.
"Prohibiting certain foods and drinks to young people will only make them more determined to buy them through some other means."
Head teacher Mr Parry had said he was concerned about increasing restrictions on what can be served in school canteens under the assembly government's healthy schools agenda.
Mr Parry said banning sugar in tea had not been his decision and meals were provided by a catering company through Rhondda Cynon Taf council.
A spokesman for the council said earlier: "We can confirm that the council is complying with Welsh assembly government regulations on nutrition and healthy eating.
"Whilst the regulations are not currently legislature, like many other Welsh councils, Rhondda Cynon Taf is endeavouring to comply with what has been set out. One of the aims outlined is to reduce salt, sugar and increase fibre.
"As a consequence the council no longer adds sugar to the drinks served, however this does not stop an individual adding sweeteners or sugar at a later stage if they require it."
A Welsh Assembly Government spokesperson said: "In our appetite for life action plan we recommend no sugar in tea and coffee.
"This is currently guidance and not compulsory and the practicalities of adhering to this, and other recommendations will be tested through our action research project.
"Local authorities and schools may decide to introduce the recommendations as part of their whole-school approach to improving their pupils health and well being. "However, introducing any change effectively requires schools to work closely with all their key stakeholders which includes pupils."


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Old 15-10-2008, 11:42 AM   #28
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Oh, it's pathetic and it makes me *so* angry. All the fun is being sucked out of food and eating, and replaced with paranoia, hysteria and bogus moral values. Food *has* no moral value, but oh how much some seem to wish that it did. It encourages eating disorders, quite apart from anything else. It doesn't matter what you eat, so long as you know what you're doing about it. And children need to learn that, how to balance a diet, rather than being given a long list of foods to avoid which will practically be used as a checklist for what to eat when school's out.

And now I'm going to go and have marmite on toast and tea with sugar, because it's time for my elevenses. Damn them all.

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Old 15-10-2008, 05:47 PM   #29
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Old 15-10-2008, 05:58 PM   #30
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what a load of bullcr@p.

I personally love marmite!



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Old 15-10-2008, 06:34 PM   #31
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Marmite also contains B vitamins, and is excellent during PMT!

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Old 16-10-2008, 02:19 AM   #32
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If you need more than two sugars in your tea/coffee you shouldn't be drinking it! *can't stomach tea OR coffee*

and Good on them for banning marmite! Get them to eat vegemite instead! It's got a little bit less salt...

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i'm sorry this thread made me laugh, this is going on all around the western world. it's not going to change. People are becoming more health concious cause the western nations are getting fatter. So they're trying to look like they're doing something. If parents are going to complain, they should give their kids breakfast at home! I don't think it will kill them not to have marmite (it could kill themt o have it... nasty stuff lol) on toast int he morning.



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Old 16-10-2008, 01:49 PM   #33
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Just because it's going on everywhere doesn't make it right. And anyway, it's a faulty premise. Nobody likes a bell curve - the so-called 'obesity epidemic' is probably better described as a 'failure to understand how statistics work epidemic'. There is no obseity epidemic. And anyway, even if there was it wouldn't be a problem.

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How much Marmite must they be using for the salt levels to be unhealthy?!?!



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I think it's lunacy. And as for a healthy meal taking too long, I can create a pasta sauce in minutes that has a much lower sugar and salt content than anything you'll buy in a jar from your local supermarket. And it's really cheep.

As long as kids are eating something that isn't loaded full of sucrose in the morning where's the harm really? A scraping of marmite is not going to do any real harm. And all those low fat things they say are so very good for you? They're loaded full of sugar usually.

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Old 16-10-2008, 04:00 PM   #36
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Anyone would think these children are having a pot of marmite to themselves on one slice of toast.
Seriously, it's bloody stupid. And i think these bans should be banned.

How about schools stop giving lunch passes out for pupils to pop to the local shop/garage/town for junk food/sweets/crisps?

If that was my child going to that school, i'd give them a pot of damn marmite to take in themselves just to cause havoc.
If my child wants marmite, i shall give them marmite.
We aren't talking mad salt intake here people. And salt is allowed in your diet on a daily basis!

If parents are giving there children pack up's for lunch, and home cooking for dinner - they can moderate the salt intake themselves.

BAH.
This is ridiculous.
This country is going to pot.

I mean, you can't even play CONKERS in school now unless you have necessary "safety gear" - some schools have banned it completely.

Mmmm. Makes me wonder what i will be bringing my future children into!

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I've suffered from salt deficiency, actually, and it's horrible. Salt is necessary.

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Oh, it's pathetic and it makes me *so* angry. All the fun is being sucked out of food and eating, and replaced with paranoia, hysteria and bogus moral values. Food *has* no moral value, but oh how much some seem to wish that it did. It encourages eating disorders, quite apart from anything else. It doesn't matter what you eat, so long as you know what you're doing about it. And children need to learn that, how to balance a diet, rather than being given a long list of foods to avoid which will practically be used as a checklist for what to eat when school's out.

And now I'm going to go and have marmite on toast and tea with sugar, because it's time for my elevenses. Damn them all.
I agree 100%

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So, say one persons eating marmite on toast in school and the person next to them just covered their chips with salt?
The person who was eating the toast would have it taken away from them but the person eating salt on chips, obviously full of fat and carbohydrate; (carbohydrate needed obviously but he / she has twice the RDA in this case for instance) they're fine.
Laughable really.



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Old 04-11-2008, 04:24 PM   #40
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i mean sure, the stuff's nasty, but BANNING it? isn't that a bit harsh?



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