I get that it's dangerous, I just don't see it as more dangerous than smoking (in fact, I see it as less dangerous - albeit I've never bitten someone's face off on cigarettes... though I doubt I would on cannabis either, tbf). Part of what does make cannabis dangerous is partly that it's sold illegally - mixed with who knows what kind of crap and sold as 'cannabis' - if it were sold in shops, maybe it'd be less toxic and more manageable.
You have all the risks of smoking tobacco (cancer) plus the mental health risks, so it is worse.
From what I've read, the risks don't decrease all that much by making it medicinal, and it certainly wouldn't by merely legalising - because legalising it, and selling it for medical purposes involve two very different products (one cheap, one expensive).
In all honestly, I think, given the number of us here with MH issues, cannabis is probably one of the worst drugs to use - given most of the other non-prescribed drugs have merely/mainly only physical health impacts.
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But then replace weed with alcohol, you have the same problem but it is legal. People stab, rape and do all sorts of things when they're wankered, but it's still legal and people do it.
Look at the mental health problems that are caused by alcohol.
Tobacco used to be considered not just 'safe', but good for us - it was advocated during the war for soldiers, but it would never get legalised if it was introduced now, just like all the other controlled substances.
Alcohol is safe in moderation. But then again, so are most drugs.
Personally, I do think weed, of all drugs, is the most dangerous.
In any case, increasing the rates of cancer, and mental health issues by legalising (or legalizing, give you're in the USA) weed/other drugs in a country that does not have a national health system (NHS) seems like it could be somewhat problematic...
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We won't all be here this time next year,
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We're definitely going to hell,
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legalizing it as well, you would get people smoking it in public areas, like outside pubs and even hospitals (those 'no smoking on NHS property' signs do **** all) i find cigarette smoke hard enough to deal with a lot of the time, smoke from a joint would be even worse!
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Why are people comparing the number of people killed or injured due to alcohol, compared to that of marijuana? That's not really relevant, or a particularly good scientific comparison.
As much as I understand and accept the reasons for legalisation, I still can't really bring myself to agree with it.
Why are people comparing the number of people killed or injured due to alcohol, compared to that of marijuana? That's not really relevant, or a particularly good scientific comparison.
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Agree so much!x
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A terrible idea. I went to Amsterdam in August, smoked half of a really thin joint & had a horrendous trip for hours & ended up in hospital. I tried to climb out of the hotel window to get some air, thinking it was ground level - but it was 6 floors up - if my friends weren't there I would have just stepped out!
Anything that changes your way of thinking just isn't a good idea. Alcohol is bad enough!
Out of curiosity, why do you think it is not relevant?
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Well I'm not a scientist, I'm just a randomer on a MH site.
Because I don't think it has anything to do with the rationale behind legalisation of illicit drugs. Thousands of people get killed and injured in car crashes, and hundreds of people end up in hospital because of DIY accidents, but we don't use those statistics as a means of legislating things. Figures (which will be estimates at best) only give a very small snapshot of the situation, and, unless specifically qualified, are often extrapolated and/or used in an erroneous correlation=causation.
Fewer people may get injured, but then there are lot fewer people taking it. If 100 people drink alcohol with 30 getting injured, and 10 people take an illegal drug but with 20 getting injured, just because more people were injured whilst under the influence of alcohol, doesn't necessarily make it more dangerous.
Back on topic, I know for a fact that in some situations cannabis is fine. Like if you are in constant pain or whatever it can really help.
Not all people have bad trips either, I for one find it to be very calming and can give you a chance to 'get away from the world' for a bit which can be quite plesant.
I don't know if I would say that legalizing it would be good but I do know that if it were to be legalized, there would be much more control over it so it might actually work out to be a good thing.
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Well I think people should be entitled to make their own health decisions. After all the government doesn't regulate the sale of other unhealthy things like soda does it? Oh wait...
Because I don't think it has anything to do with the rationale behind legalisation of illicit drugs. Thousands of people get killed and injured in car crashes, and hundreds of people end up in hospital because of DIY accidents, but we don't use those statistics as a means of legislating things. Figures (which will be estimates at best) only give a very small snapshot of the situation, and, unless specifically qualified, are often extrapolated and/or used in an erroneous correlation=causation.
Fewer people may get injured, but then there are lot fewer people taking it. If 100 people drink alcohol with 30 getting injured, and 10 people take an illegal drug but with 20 getting injured, just because more people were injured whilst under the influence of alcohol, doesn't necessarily make it more dangerous.
That makes a lot of sense, i've never thought of it like that before.
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Well smoking and drinking cause just as many problems in my opinion, I don't think you can really say that psychosis is any less or more life altering/damaging than heart disease and other conditions caused by alcohol and/or smoking. I think it should be legal for the medicinal benefits of some if nothing else, and to be honest for personal use I really don't see why it's seen as worse than smoking or drinking. Not saying any of the above are sensible, but it's all about the free will really. Plus if the government could standardise it there would probably be less of the stuff cut with dodgy things and we could make some money as a society out of it by taxing and so on.
On a side note, would really strongly advise against it to anyone with MH problems.
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Its actually really irelevant , and borderline redundant to even argue this. You can't even test for bath salts or the designer drug that is in it. Plus it is legal. Bath salts cause what happened to the man in florida, you would have to be a total boob to think it was pot.
On a side note, would really strongly advise against it to anyone with MH problems.
I agree that people should be aware of potentially bad reactions. However, in California, people can get a Medical Marijuana card to purchase it to treat conditions like anorexia, depression or anxiety. I have found it helpful for dealing with anxiety. The media in the UK make a really big thing about the negative effects of cannabis (the Daily Fail in particular seem to think all the ills of the world are because of this EVIL PLANT) while completely ignoring all the benefits. Personally I would like to see it legalised, while being tightly controlled. I would also like to see alcohol much more tightly controlled; I think our laws on such substances are illogical and patronizing - and more to the point, they're ineffective.
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Its actually really irelevant , and borderline redundant to even argue this. You can't even test for bath salts or the designer drug that is in it. Plus it is legal. Bath salts cause what happened to the man in florida, you would have to be a total boob to think it was pot.
Furthermore being 'dirty' for pot just means you consumed it within 45 days or so, it doesn't imply you are on it at the time of, well, anything. -_-
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