None of the rules mentioned in your original post seem stupid to me.
Admittedly they are going to extremes but it's all within the aim to make sure you are safe - and of course this level of thoroughness will only be temporary.
I'm sure it's very annoying at the moment, but the possibilities of what could happen if they aren't quite as strict while you're deemed that high risk IMO, are worse.
In ways I guess it is like being treated like a younger child but there are similarities in current lack of ability to look out for your own safety and welfare. So they are doing it for you. (That's by no means meant to be patronising.)
Last edited by Fry : 23-01-2012 at 09:19 PM.
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Stop thinking about what I want, what he wants, what your parents want. What do you want?
I am reading the Human Rights Act 1998 right now, just curious.
Last edited by Steel Maiden : 26-01-2012 at 09:10 PM.
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"Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law...."
Not sure if that is of relevance or not.
Last edited by Steel Maiden : 26-01-2012 at 09:21 PM.
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PM me if you want a PDF copy of the ICD-10or the Mental Health Act 1983/2007. I ALSO HAVE THE DSM-V BOOK and am a pharmacology student.
I have a visual impairment / neurological problems so I need people to type in clear text and no funny fonts. Also excuse any typos, my vision blocks things out.
I have autism and have problems communicating, PMs included.
Just becasue I type well doesn't mean I speak well. I am only part time verbal.
It's highly unlikely that fixed hospital procedures like the ones mentioned in this thread, that are open to external inspection would ever be in breach of a person's human rights. It's ultimately within the patient's interest that these restrictions are being practiced, even if they're unable to understand that at the time.
Stop thinking about what I want, what he wants, what your parents want. What do you want?
i was in a place where they took all my clothes off me, even the ones i was wearing (when i said this before a few years ago, no one believed me, but trust me, thats the NHS)
and i think there must have been another way, id rather they put me on 1-1 than do that.
i think a stupid rule is having to charge phones in the office, i cant really explain why this is stupid without tip sharing though.
I'm fine! Totally fine. I don't know why it's coming out all loud and squeaky, 'cause really, I'm fine!
Ok. I have seen a few pretty suspicious things happen in hospital before though....
PM me if you want a PDF copy of the ICD-10or the Mental Health Act 1983/2007. I ALSO HAVE THE DSM-V BOOK and am a pharmacology student.
I have a visual impairment / neurological problems so I need people to type in clear text and no funny fonts. Also excuse any typos, my vision blocks things out.
I have autism and have problems communicating, PMs included.
Just becasue I type well doesn't mean I speak well. I am only part time verbal.
Ok. I have seen a few pretty suspicious things happen in hospital before though....
As have I, but if the procedures are followed correctly then human rights are respected. Certainly not suggesting that the procedures always are followed correctly though, aha.
Stop thinking about what I want, what he wants, what your parents want. What do you want?
Certainly not suggesting that the procedures always are followed correctly though, aha.
I think the maligned type of nurses (thankfully there aren't loads of them) take advantage of people that don't know their rights or are too confused/ill to understand. I have seen an old patient who I think was developing dementia refused her pain meds by a nurse (not under a dr) despite the fact that she was crying in pain, and when she couldn't walk, the nurse yelled at her. Also saw a patient who obviously had an intestinal obstruction or something very similar, told to drink water and go to bed despite her symptoms. Also a young woman who had severe EPS after being given haloperidol prn was told to "relax and listen to music" and refused prn anticholinergics to counteract it.
PM me if you want a PDF copy of the ICD-10or the Mental Health Act 1983/2007. I ALSO HAVE THE DSM-V BOOK and am a pharmacology student.
I have a visual impairment / neurological problems so I need people to type in clear text and no funny fonts. Also excuse any typos, my vision blocks things out.
I have autism and have problems communicating, PMs included.
Just becasue I type well doesn't mean I speak well. I am only part time verbal.
my shoulder was injured by a nurse about 3 years ago, still get problems now, they refused to take me to hospital, or even let me see a doctor, and it was very bad. but i was not really 'with it' enough to push for it, i just accepted it.
i have noticed some nurses doing it here. it makes me really angry
I'm fine! Totally fine. I don't know why it's coming out all loud and squeaky, 'cause really, I'm fine!
I think the maligned type of nurses (thankfully there aren't loads of them) take advantage of people that don't know their rights or are too confused/ill to understand. I have seen an old patient who I think was developing dementia refused her pain meds by a nurse (not under a dr) despite the fact that she was crying in pain, and when she couldn't walk, the nurse yelled at her. Also saw a patient who obviously had an intestinal obstruction or something very similar, told to drink water and go to bed despite her symptoms. Also a young woman who had severe EPS after being given haloperidol prn was told to "relax and listen to music" and refused prn anticholinergics to counteract it.
Yeah, they are sad and frustrating situations to witness and experience.
Stop thinking about what I want, what he wants, what your parents want. What do you want?
When I was IP there was a 53 year old woman who fell down the stairs. She had bad hip pain but they all said that she's jsut acting to get attention. After a week they took away her wheelchair and had her walk. A week later they did x-rays because she was still in pain. They noticed that she had her thigh broken. The drs at hospital didn't take her serious, because she has a mental illness, that's why they didn't do x-rays sooner.
You survived the abuse.
You're gonna survive the recovery.
What might seem stupid to one is actually a potential for harm. It seems extreme, but go to a self harm ward and you'll find a lot of extreme inventions and measures taken by a patient to harm themselves.
I honestly don't see what is wrong with the rules you mentioned in your initial post. You're in hospital, its their job to keep you safe [as well as the other patients]. Looking out for your welfare, especially when your admitted is normal, they haven't assessed you fully so that's why your access outside is so limited to start with. You have to earn their trust to some degree. I mean, why are you there?- that's why they are doing this.
Hopefully when you're a bit better you'll be glad they did this much to care for you. Some psych hospitals are completely lacklustre in checking for dangerous items and its unsurprising what happens as a result.
And for the record I have been in hospital on one to one, bathroom obs, arms length, blah blah and not aloud to retreat to my room. Its because they cannot assess your social functioning if you are not in a place where you can interact. Its not healthy to be alone 24/7.
MissA, can you explain what you mean by assessing social functioning?
It is in my advance directive that I am not to be forced to stay in the day area or go to any groups because both of these cause me significant distress, especially when ill. The noise/hubbub/constant social interaction has made me have meltdowns in the past. Nurses on the ward know that even if I am on arms length obs, I am not to be constantly socially stimulated as this would make me a lot more ill. I guess this all winds down to my Asperger's but I certainly recovered better the less social interaction I had.
PM me if you want a PDF copy of the ICD-10or the Mental Health Act 1983/2007. I ALSO HAVE THE DSM-V BOOK and am a pharmacology student.
I have a visual impairment / neurological problems so I need people to type in clear text and no funny fonts. Also excuse any typos, my vision blocks things out.
I have autism and have problems communicating, PMs included.
Just becasue I type well doesn't mean I speak well. I am only part time verbal.
I mean that when a person is depressed they may withdraw, not make eye contact and not verbalise anything. Left to their own devices they may not find a way out of this pattern of hiding away and it can precipitate depression and wont help with being 'active' in the sense of moving around, getting light exercise [I'm thinking, in many rooms there is a bed and little else; so what can the person do asides sitting or laying in bed all day]. Conversely as their mood lifts they may make more eye contact and speak up or take interest in things going on around them.
For you, the case is different, your needs mean you require minimal stimulations [such as with a person who is acutely manic maybe] and over stimulating with noise causes more problems.
I didn't mean for it to be so generalised, but most people are expected to stay in communal areas in the day time so that they can participate in activites and be around others.
Ok thank you for clarifying, that was a well-written description.
I find that my recovery is accelerated by minimal social contact and lots of time with (when I am well enough to focus on reading) my textbooks/laptop, on the ward. But when I am very ill/on obs etc, I find that talking a little with the nurse on my obs and sleeping a lot helps. But everyone is different I know.
PM me if you want a PDF copy of the ICD-10or the Mental Health Act 1983/2007. I ALSO HAVE THE DSM-V BOOK and am a pharmacology student.
I have a visual impairment / neurological problems so I need people to type in clear text and no funny fonts. Also excuse any typos, my vision blocks things out.
I have autism and have problems communicating, PMs included.
Just becasue I type well doesn't mean I speak well. I am only part time verbal.
Your care plan would/should be different and instead of being approached you might have written down that you are to approach the staff yourself, and be given plenty of time to reply/talk. I know my partner [when acutely manic] was put in a small intensive nursing area with no music, no tv, no people asides her 2 to 1 staff and kept as quiet as possible to limit her activity [she wasn't eating or drinking or sleeping so activity was not good for her].
Oh ok. Did it help your partner? It sounds like a sensible action.
My care plan has been modified to account for these things. It even says that if I get really stressed out I can go non-verbal and can only communicate by writing.
PM me if you want a PDF copy of the ICD-10or the Mental Health Act 1983/2007. I ALSO HAVE THE DSM-V BOOK and am a pharmacology student.
I have a visual impairment / neurological problems so I need people to type in clear text and no funny fonts. Also excuse any typos, my vision blocks things out.
I have autism and have problems communicating, PMs included.
Just becasue I type well doesn't mean I speak well. I am only part time verbal.
Yeah, probably whilst they waited for the anti-psychotics to work! She was very excitable by small things, they had to close the blinds because she went bananas when someone walked past. She'd laugh and point and get really worked up.
For me, it was in my care plan to encourage me out of my room and to ask if I wanted to join in with things.
Yeah, probably whilst they waited for the anti-psychotics to work! She was very excitable by small things, they had to close the blinds because she went bananas when someone walked past. She'd laugh and point and get really worked up.
For me, it was in my care plan to encourage me out of my room and to ask if I wanted to join in with things.
Quite different!
Oh gosh, that sounds distressing. What do you mean by "went bananas"? Are the antipsychotics working for her now?
Did that aspect of your care plan help? I know that they introduced group therapies to help people as most people do benefit from them.
There was a nurse on the last ward I was on that had training in Asperger's Syndrome and she would sit with me in the quietest area possible in the ward (usually in my bedroom but sometimes at the end of the garden) and we would talk about my difficulties and she would suggest practical ways to help. She also personally bought me some earplugs :) as I couldn't find mine. The earplugs really helped. Also in my care plan was to let me eat meals after everyone else and have medication first or last, because I had several huge meltdowns in the queues/dining area (noise, invasion of personal space etc).
PM me if you want a PDF copy of the ICD-10or the Mental Health Act 1983/2007. I ALSO HAVE THE DSM-V BOOK and am a pharmacology student.
I have a visual impairment / neurological problems so I need people to type in clear text and no funny fonts. Also excuse any typos, my vision blocks things out.
I have autism and have problems communicating, PMs included.
Just becasue I type well doesn't mean I speak well. I am only part time verbal.
