I always found it odd that so many nurses who are supposed to be promoting health living are smokers, overweight, inactive, binge drinkers.
I appreciate they're human, but I always feel like, if you're gonna go into that profession you should at least look after your own body before advising others to look after theirs.
Im also doing mental health nursing, and you have to have placements making sure you can fill all your outcomes. Are you on the course yet or going this year?
Ive done placements in a midwifery ward, health visitor, day nursery and also I will be on a ward at some point, as well as doing a respite care placement. I have MH placements, but you have to hit medical outcomes that alot of MH wards wont be able to help you with.
Yeah, Katy, first year you'll have to get a lot of skills signed off that you wouldn't be able to do on MH placements. Obv, it depends on what placements you get though :P
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Thats rubbish! Many of those things are caused by meds and the low self esteem of the patients you could apply those things to all nurses anyway who are they to judge people due to their life styles? They could be brilliant nurses! Also in ...the state of obesity and physical health problems i dont think shoving a fit full of it person in front of someone who has a crushing self judgement and isnt helped by their physical shape. They'll probably feel worse as they'd think they were being looked down on and judged! I know people who are a healthy example but arent exactly empathetic and proffessional and likewise i knew exactly the oppossite. I knew fantastic nurses who werent obviously healthy and someone who were the ideal image of health and aweful nurses also due to my weight gain on medication and it disabling my ability to do exercise with back pain i felt judged by them and inferior likewise my current community workers are fairly healthy and i feel they are judging everything due to my wieght even though they dont give a damn or see me regularly. I doubt someones appearence and state of lifestyle will make someone live that way its something that happens that cant be really controlled, a nurse should be judged on the suport they give not their lifestyles. A patient in such a state of mind needs help just coping and dealing with life, they know their physical state is bad and it makes them feel worse they dont need a perfect example of what the should be shoved down their throats aswell life is hard enough, they need someone gentle and understanding to support them in getting healthy again. I just think thats an unfair judgement on so many people.
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I don't know what COE is, but Anorexia is a mental illness, obesity isn't. Being fat doesn't make you irrational or illogical or any of the things that ED's do. Yes, it's not healthy still but the course does not cause a risk to overweight students or to future patients.
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I got asked to leave my course for having anorexia.
It is an eating disorder whereby the person compulsively eats food, often leading to obesity. Leads to the same irrationality as anorexia but being overweight is becoming socially acceptable. For the brief time I was on the wards, 100% of the staff nurses where overweight. It doesn't make sense to me that people who are clearly unhealthy can promote health and well being.
I don't think patients actually give a **** whether their nurses or doctors are overweight or anything.
People aren't going to start making themselves fat because their nurse is, yet vulnerable people may see an anorexic person and get ideas.
If by your view fat people aren't good role models and should not be able to promote health and wellbeing, than neither should anorexic people, or depressed people, or anyone with any sort of ongoing issue. That's pretty much everyone.
Patients are more likely to be analysing and in competition with other patients, not the staff.
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^ Compulsive Over Eating.
It is an eating disorder whereby the person compulsively eats food, often leading to obesity. Leads to the same irrationality as anorexia but being overweight is becoming socially acceptable. For the brief time I was on the wards, 100% of the staff nurses where overweight. It doesn't make sense to me that people who are clearly unhealthy can promote health and well being.
It is an eating disorder whereby the person compulsively eats food, often leading to obesity. Leads to the same irrationality as anorexia but being overweight is becoming socially acceptable. For the brief time I was on the wards, 100% of the staff nurses where overweight. It doesn't make sense to me that people who are clearly unhealthy can promote health and well being.
I think for people on the ED spectrum thats a fair comment and they need people of healthy example to promote well being. Whilst i was IP the eds found it very stressful and were cynical when having a large person at the supported table or as their key worker in which i could understand and i think they needed the say a healthy person to act as example and promote healthy thinking likewise not having underweight people is good for them either as it would just be telling these vulnerable people to gain weight when the person themselves needs too really its not fair.
But i think for say people not in that area it doesnt make a difference... a person with no weight issue wont look at a overweight or underweight person and think oh they can be that way why cant i? they smoke so can i.. i think its unfair telling someone how to live their lives due to the job they're in. I struggle with healthy people as i have weight problems i used to be underweight and was forcibly made overweight by medication and it mortified me im ashamed of my weight and feel judged by healthy or underweight people but thats me. I wouldnt be impacted on how my nurse lives id only care if they were good at their job. Right now i have a cpn who is healthy for her age and active and yet shes not good at her job nor is she a nice person to be honest.. shes not a good example, shes created distrust in her role and doesnt appear reliable to go to if im having a crisis infact i avoid her like the plague not that she tries to see me to me shes not a good example on a patient, she doesnt listen or even bothers to read background notes therefore isnt aware of my problems or the way i act so im just left to carry on shes the bad image of nursing not say an overweight nurse who smokes with a lovely and empathetic nature who tries their best to everything they can for a patient.
About obesity becoming the norm... i dont know really i dont bat an eyelid about peoples weight apart from my own unless it becomes life risking. I think its the wayu they chose to live and if they're happy that way i have no right to judge.
“There is no sun without shadow, and it is essential to know the night.”
^ I suppose it's only an issue becasue it makes the advice kinda... I don't know, less likely to be taken? If an over weight person told me I was leading and unhealthy life and should make myself more healthy by eating XYZ I would be like, err, yeah sure. Same with a really thin nurse. Same with a nurse who I later saw smoking who had told me not to. Same with nurses who post pictures of themselves absolutely wasted on non-private FB's. It just doens't correlate - at least smoke out of sight of the hospital/don't put up pictures like that.
Depression/MH isn't something that can necessarily be seen, so I don't see that as the same kind of thing in terms of impact on other patients. To be fit to work, any nurse would have to be at a functional level with their depression?MH so it wouldn't have an impact on their patient advice/care.
Patients are more likely to be analysing and in competition with other patients, not the staff.
Completely agree its true i witnessed it consistantly for months whilst IP as majority of patients were those with anorexia and once one person started or someone made a comment the competition began and would loop continuously hence relapsing recovery. Not everyone is like this and i saw some sufferers really struggle to resist competing with the others once it began and i really saw the pain it caused
“There is no sun without shadow, and it is essential to know the night.”
^ I suppose it's only an issue becasue it makes the advice kinda... I don't know, less likely to be taken? If an over weight person told me I was leading and unhealthy life and should make myself more healthy by eating XYZ I would be like, err, yeah sure. Same with a really thin nurse. Same with a nurse who I later saw smoking who had told me not to. Same with nurses who post pictures of themselves absolutely wasted on non-private FB's. It just doens't correlate - at least smoke out of sight of the hospital/don't put up pictures like that.
Depression/MH isn't something that can necessarily be seen, so I don't see that as the same kind of thing in terms of impact on other patients. To be fit to work, any nurse would have to be at a functional level with their depression?MH so it wouldn't have an impact on their patient advice/care.
yeah precisely you hit the nail on the head there. I would hope that people working within mentalhealth if their depression etc was impacting on their work it would be declared and they can get leave to recover or stabalise. I remember arguing in group therapy once whilst in hosp as one staff member was really rude and just plain horrible and always had been theyd upset me and id had enough and brought it up and the tw*t of a doctor was saying 'we all have lives and our own stresses' and i just replied saying 'yes but you're working with suppossedly vulnerable people and if it impacts on your work and how you treat patients you need to go to occupational health to be assessed'
and i stand by that strongly
“There is no sun without shadow, and it is essential to know the night.”
^ Do have to point out I do and have compared myself to my therapists :P
I have to admit so have i, both my psychologists have been very slender and pretty people and ive felt constantly judged and wanting to be their weight lets say... i always feel though my strongest comparison was the eds whilst ip before i was made ip i was underweight and the meds made me weight pile on and i felt more judged and compared myself to them more their eyes and judgement burning through me and my head telling me they're beautiful and should be like them.
Sorry that was rather personal
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Buttons, like cutting smoking is not an ideal way to deal with stress/ MH issues. It creates its own set of issues.
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I always found it odd that so many nurses who are supposed to be promoting health living are smokers, overweight, inactive, binge drinkers.
I appreciate they're human, but I always feel like, if you're gonna go into that profession you should at least look after your own body before advising others to look after theirs.
A lot of people who can't control their own behaviour compensate by working to control behaviour of others.
Buttons, like cutting smoking is not an ideal way to deal with stress/ MH issues. It creates its own set of issues.
I am completely aware of that but to be honest it's socially acceptable (more so than cutting etc) it's not doing anyone else any harm if you aren't smoking too near them and if it helps someone be calmer and therefore do a better job then I really don't give a damn. Yes it causes health problems. Yes it's Very.Bad.For.You. But it's a personal choice that shouldn't be restricted by your occupation. I for one would have had second thoughts about going into nursing if it placed that level of restrictions on my free time.
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I've seen nurses snapping and getting angry at patients because they're overworked on a 12 and a half hour shift and they haven't had time to have a fag... Smoking well away from the hospital/in your own time is fine as long as patients don't get any of the side effects, be that physical second hand smoke or irritability.
A lot of people who can't control their own behaviour compensate by working to control behaviour of others.
I agree, im very good at helping other people, well maybe not good at it but try to do it as much as posible and yet i never look after myself or take my own advice i have loads of self help techniques i know whats a healthy diet, healthy to have and do what sleep you need, exercise yatta yatta but dont take it upon myself to even try to help myself.
“There is no sun without shadow, and it is essential to know the night.”
I know my old cpn doesn't smoke though my cousin who's a pysch nurse smokes. Whenever i have been to A&E for SH there's some many nurses out there smoking its unreal sometimes.
