I'm all for gay marriage, I don't think you should differentiate just because you fall for the same sex. If I end up with a girl I'd be gutted without the chance of a wedding.
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I know that here in england atleast we can get a cival partnership.
Haven't they changed it in England so you can be properly married? I thought that was why Elton did it again in 2008
Not to generalise that or anything, but taking that into account, how could someone say that a straight couple who are not necessarily in love have more rights to get married than a gay couple who so blatantly are.
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Why not? :) You can't help who you fall in love with.
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no its still called a civil partnership but u get all the same rights as 'marriage' its just a different name, pointless in my opinion, I have just booked my reception for mine and my partners wedding ( i will always call it a wedding even if its legally a civil partnership dont see why i cant! ) so our plans are alll on the way :)
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hmm, here the civil partnership doesnt have same benefits though [in nj in us]
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prop 8 has just been over turned though so its a start :)
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Have never understood why people have a problem with it. Love is love after all, as for religion standing in the way of gay marriage- why can atheist couples get married without fuss hmm?
Adoption- why not, as long as they are. There are so many straight, and yet terrible parents out there, surely a household with gay parents must be less damaging than many of these.
I'm happy that Proposition 8 got overturned :)
I definitely support gay marriage, but as a lesbian I guess I'm a bit biased.
I don't understand the opposite viewpoint, I don't understand how people cannot see this as not treating gay people equally.
Apparently the do however.
From what I can find, the biggest arguments are that kids would be taught in school that gay people can marry, and that we shouldn't silence people by labeling them as homophobic. A load of crap in my opinion.
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Well...I kind of agree that people shouldn't be labeled and silenced based on their beliefs. Even though I disagree with them, that doesn't make their opinion any less valid. But it's difficult for me to summon up much sympathy; after all, I'm not permitted to legally marry my partner even though we've been together for two years, which seems to me to be very much akin.
Gay marriage I'm not too fussed about really, if you want to then fair enough. Gay adoption is the same, as long as they know what they are getting in to. Adoption is a lengthy and stringent process, full of checks, checks and more checks. They would also need to know how to deal with a child coming home because they are getting bullied because of their parents' sexuality.
I've got nothing against gay marriage and nothing against gay adoption. If they want to be together, and if they think they can raise a child, then I don't see anything wrong with that.
I'm in California and recall a lot of the arguments for Prop 8 that were airing. It basically came down to traditional beliefs and what is written in the Bible.
If you think about it, what religion was traditionally has changed drastically over the years. Having a child out of wedlock was more taboo than it is now, as was living with someone out of wedlock. But they want to keep the traditional definition of marriage as being between a man and a woman.
Everyone can have their opinions and desires for what they believe in. But, if it was to come down to the religious thing, why should couples that might not have faith in a god be allowed to marry while a gay couple that could live their life as much by the word of god as possible (while still being true to themselves) be unable to? That, to me, isn't right.
One of the things they're currently having issues with, and are trying to use against Prop 8 being overturned, is that the judge who overturned it is openly a "practicing gay" (not my term for it, just how the news decided to describe him). So now they're saying he could not have been unbiased in his decisions and that he could have overturned Prop 8 due to the fact that he could possibly gain from gay marriage being allowed in the state of California. They're also saying that the way he worded his decision and final statement was done so that it would be forced to federal court and would cause the country to look at whether a ban on gay marriage is unconstitutional or not... all because he's gay.
It's rather messy and, honestly, I do think that Prop 8 will be reinstated, even though the DA has decided that gay marriage is to be allowed in the state. It's not like people can marry yet, or anytime soon, until the appeal is done, and that could take up to a year or so. Huge hurdle cleared but now so many more are being put in place. :(
I can understand why people are against gay marraige, its largely a religious concept, and in most religions, homosexuality is wrong.
What gay people get isnt really a marriage, they get the legal benefits, but none of the 'bound together in the eyes of god' stuff.
Maybe people wouldnt kick up a fuss if it werent called a marriage.
I dont understand though, how people can be outraged by this but not about for exapmle, cases like my friend, who had never been to church in her life but yet went and sat there three sundays in a row and was able to get married in one.
Maybe people wouldnt kick up a fuss if it werent called a marriage.
problem with that is we get into 'seperate but equal', which has already proven to not work(at least in the US) with civil unions [i dont know how equal they are in the UK]
they are equal in the UK but called civil partnership, im calling my wedding a wedding, because to me thats what it is, reguardless of the fact its to a women, ive always dreams of a big white wedding, so its what im going 4 and it will be called a wedding, i will tell our children we are married when we have them, i wont use the term civil partnership unless ticking a box on a form :) im stubbon lol x
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I actually don't understand the arguments against it. Like, at all.
Well, most of the reasons come down to many peoples' religious beliefs. All the Abrahamic religions (Jews, Christians and Muslims) condemn homosexuality and see marriage as the sacred union between a man and a woman. I've never heard a logical explanation, although one conservative person who happened to be an atheist claimed he was against gay marriage because it's 'pointless' as they can't have biological kids together and have a proper family unit, etc.
I have no problems myself with gay marriage, though. If two people love eachother I don't see why not. But I don't believe any church or other religious institutions should be forced to accomodate gay marriages, seeing as it conflicts their beliefs. However, in the legal aspect, gay people should certainly be allowed to marry eachother and get the same marital benefits as straight coupls do. Afterall, they are two adult consenting people who love eachother and want to share their lives, just because they happen to be the same gender is irrelevent imo.
As for gay adoption. I'm a bit wishy-washy on this one. I firmly believe that a gay or lesbian couple can bring up kids and be good parents, etc just like a straight couple can. However the problem with this one is the society we live in, it's still very much homophobic. The child has an increased chance of getting bullied in school if his/her adoptive parents are a gay or lesbian couple, not that it's justified in any way, however that is the way life is right now. But then some areas are more accepting of gay couples/parents than others, so it would be best to live in a more liberal area (like Camden in London, or San Francisco, etc) than a conservative one.
^ With regards to bullying issues surrounding gay adoption there are a million and one reasons a kid can be bullied. Should someone with red hair not have children because they might be bullied for that hair colour, should a slightly older than average couple not have children because the child might be bullied for that?
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