^ There is also that a lot of the patient who were moved out of the 'asylums' when they were closed ended up feeling lost and abandoned. They liked these places. They liked the fresh air, the safety, the comfort of it all. Of course, some didn't, and it would depend on what type of place you were in.
Because some people really are ill enough to need to be contained in a place where skilled people can help them. Some people do get bad enough that they can never safely live in a community, especially with CAMHS barely checking up on people who leave hospital and leaving them to deal on their own. Just look at the poor people who are left to their own devices with a serious mental health problem and how they either end up killing other people or themselves, because they can't get enough help.
There should be rigorous checks and things to make sure that people have to be there, but at the end of the day, it may help people better than just letting them live in the community.
Now this I agree with but the places would have to be SO carefully regulated and checked to make sure they don't up how asylums used to be, appalling conditions, patient abuse etc etc. Oh and I agree with JodiE about calling them secure pyschiatric units.
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Stephen Fry: The Secret Life of the Manic Depressive
Episode 1: BBC4, Monday 17th May 2010, 7.30pm Episode 2: BBC4, Wednesday 19th May 2010, 7.30pm
Stephen Fry takes an astonishingly open look at his own and other people's experiences of living with bipolar disorder, also known as manic depression.
Plus, I found this (not sure if anyone would like to see it, but here's the infor just in case) She's Been Away
BBC4, Monday 17th May 2010, 10pm
Stephen Poliakoff's 1989 television play tells a moving story of the unexpected friendship forged between an elderly woman released from a psychiatric hospital after 60 years and her nephew's pregnant wife with whom she comes to live.
Because some people really are ill enough to need to be contained in a place where skilled people can help them. Some people do get bad enough that they can never safely live in a community, especially with CAMHS barely checking up on people who leave hospital and leaving them to deal on their own. Just look at the poor people who are left to their own devices with a serious mental health problem and how they either end up killing other people or themselves, because they can't get enough help.
There should be rigorous checks and things to make sure that people have to be there, but at the end of the day, it may help people better than just letting them live in the community.
I agree in the sense that 'care in the community' isn't half as good as it should be but I'd be inclined to think that making that better would be a better route to go down than just locking people away.
Stop thinking about what I want, what he wants, what your parents want. What do you want?
When I was in a secure psychiatric hospital I met people who had been in the system for years and who were likely to remain there for a considerable amount of time, if not life. It saddened me, but at the same time I knew that they just could not cope outside of hospital.
Isn’t it funny how day by day nothing changes but when you look back, everything is different…
you once called your brain a hard drive, well say hello to the virus.
I agree in the sense that 'care in the community' isn't half as good as it should be but I'd be inclined to think that making that better would be a better route to go down than just locking people away.
But that wont be possible, because human beings suck. They wont be able to cope with the public, and public would ostracize them, therefore making them targets to abuse, which in turn would make them worse.
It's not an easy thing to do, but I think it should be done, carefully.
I think care in the community is a difficult one because at the end of the day resourses are really not there. A long standing psychiatric hospital fairly near to me was closed down some time ago and the people placed in the community. The reality of it was within two years most of them had died. There could be many reasons for that but I do think for some people permanent psychiatric care is neccessarily - run on modern day standards obviously and preferably better.
I watched a programme about Cornton Vale, the woman's prison in Scotlant and part of it centred around a young girl, no more than a child really, who had Borderline Personality Disorder and tried to kill herself many times every day and she would have sceaming, tantrum type fits often and was often being restrained. The prison govenor was talking about her and said she shouldn't be in here. She needs a psychiatric unit. She should be in hospital, not prison. He also said there were many women in there who should have been in hospital, not prison. So for that reason I think there should still be large psychiatric units for people who need that amount of support. We may not be locking sick people up in 'lunatic asylums' (not a term I would use) any more but we sure are locking them up in prision.
There's a LOT more supported housing and such around these days than people realise, I think. Whether it will continue to be funded is another matter, but from what I know around here, Mind, Rethink and all have places.
I'll be watching the "sectioned" i want to see how they portray being sectioned and how horrible it can be having your freedome taken from you.
It might be quite distressing watching though if they actually show someone getting sectioned (just thinking back to how distressed i have been when getting sectioned and it must be equally hard to watch)
i also hope that the programme shows that you dont have to be "mental" to be sectioned and helps destroy some of the stigma of mental illness
It's quite scary not only to see how people used to be treated but also to see what they were locked away for; to think some people were locked up for having panic attacks.
And the length of time she was locked up for - 33 and a half years
The operations just looked horrific
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Missed the one on monday but wil 4od it tomorrow :)
I think you mean BBC Iplayer? As it was shown on BBC4 rather than Channel 4?
I'm just halfway through watching it on iplayer now & will have to watch tomorrow's programme on iplayer too as watching something else which is on at same time..
