hi, i know im probably a bit older then you guys... im 21.... and was thinking that since i cant access chat and my christian friends don't knwo about my harming that maybe one of you could add me on msn and we could chat there- i could really do with soem support from a christian. i kinda feel like im doing a lot of supporting of others- adn odnt get me wrong i like to help- but i dont really feel i can ask for support from the people that i support- (if that makes sense). i wuld very much appreciate anyone who adds me- but please let me know your RLY name so i can understand who you are.
*hugs to all*.
The BRAVEST thing
I ever did was CONTINUING MY LIFE when I wanted to die.
so I guess I have a question about Christianity and SI. I am a Christian, have gone to church ever since I was a baby in arms. I believe in God and love him! He is my savior! =) But in the bible, I'm not sure what verse it is, but I know there is a verse that says not to harm yourself. Not saying in so many words not to self injure but implies that you should never harm your body intentionally because your body is the Lord's temple... so when I heard about this it made me feel like such a hypocrite... am I the only one that feels this way? Just wondering... I trust in the Lord, but people tell me that if I really did then I would know everything is in his hands and he controls all, that I wouldn't have to hurt myself. I know he controls everything but SI'ing helps me with my emotional pain and expressing my feelings... so idk... I guess I'm confused... =(
~I cry out in despair. You come running. Arms open ready, To protect me from the world. If only you knew, That it's myself I need protection from~
so I guess I have a question about Christianity and SI. I am a Christian, have gone to church ever since I was a baby in arms. I believe in God and love him! He is my savior! =) But in the bible, I'm not sure what verse it is, but I know there is a verse that says not to harm yourself. Not saying in so many words not to self injure but implies that you should never harm your body intentionally because your body is the Lord's temple... so when I heard about this it made me feel like such a hypocrite... am I the only one that feels this way? Just wondering... I trust in the Lord, but people tell me that if I really did then I would know everything is in his hands and he controls all, that I wouldn't have to hurt myself. I know he controls everything but SI'ing helps me with my emotional pain and expressing my feelings... so idk... I guess I'm confused... =(
so I guess I have a question about Christianity and SI. I am a Christian, have gone to church ever since I was a baby in arms. I believe in God and love him! He is my savior! =) But in the bible, I'm not sure what verse it is, but I know there is a verse that says not to harm yourself. Not saying in so many words not to self injure but implies that you should never harm your body intentionally because your body is the Lord's temple... so when I heard about this it made me feel like such a hypocrite... am I the only one that feels this way? Just wondering... I trust in the Lord, but people tell me that if I really did then I would know everything is in his hands and he controls all, that I wouldn't have to hurt myself. I know he controls everything but SI'ing helps me with my emotional pain and expressing my feelings... so idk... I guess I'm confused... =(
Being a Christian and knowing Jesus is your savior is not an automatic ticket to immediate perfection... it's unrealistic for people to think that because you've been saved, all of a sudden everything in your life will be okay. Everybody sins, that's a guarantee, whether it's pride, lying, lust, or self-injury. God works on different timelines in different people's lives. SI does help with those feelings and emotions, but there are other ways, and He'll help you get there in time.
so I guess I have a question about Christianity and SI. I am a Christian, have gone to church ever since I was a baby in arms. I believe in God and love him! He is my savior! =) But in the bible, I'm not sure what verse it is, but I know there is a verse that says not to harm yourself. Not saying in so many words not to self injure but implies that you should never harm your body intentionally because your body is the Lord's temple... so when I heard about this it made me feel like such a hypocrite... am I the only one that feels this way? Just wondering... I trust in the Lord, but people tell me that if I really did then I would know everything is in his hands and he controls all, that I wouldn't have to hurt myself. I know he controls everything but SI'ing helps me with my emotional pain and expressing my feelings... so idk... I guess I'm confused... =(
I know the quote you mean and it was spoken with regard to the church as whole (and as a body) because they were fighting among themselves at the time. I can come back and write about that.
First I would rather mention a bit from Paul (Romans 7 - and I should add I am not a bible thumper but I have read it at least which is more then most people do lol.)
Paul describes his inability to do what is right. That caused a conflict for him. But what he says, was that the conflict showed he recognized what was right and that was good in a roundabout way - here:
" For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. 15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me."
Paul is basically describing a compulsive conditioned behaviour that he has no power over of himself. Being born a spiritual being, trapped in a flesh body, he had no choice but to inherit an inability to follow the flesh more than the spirit because he was born subject to his corrupted flesh side of his identity (what he meant by "sold to sin").
He says that he wanted to do good but could not. This gave him a lot of conflict because he wanted to do good. What he says this means is that his wrong actions dont really stem from who he is deep down in his heart but from a false or sin (anti) identity that is not really organic to a person but inherited.
Bascially, he is saying he had conflict over his inability to do the good he wanted but that conflict actually meant he was agreeing that he was at odds with his conscience so he was admitting his flaws and slaying his ego (part of false, pride self).
Of course this predicament is where salvation comes in but not so much a sky high, angels singing otherworldly salvation but an ability to escape the false sin self (via grace etc). You cant really give yourself that salvation and beating yourself up as if you could undo the problem will help keep you stuck. Of course you do want to escape the problem but that comes form a special mind set not acquired by ego struggle and self flagellation.
This is where the "let go let God" bit comes in but that's for another post. For now, see your problem because that's nice - but dont beat yourself up egotistically and think you can will yourself to be better. If your not perfect that's ok and it's ego that makes a person think they should be perfect. What the real focus is is in "becoming perfect" - as opposed to becoming imperfect. There is a saying that you can not change one white hair black etc (or about those words) so go easy for time being.
We know SI is wrong but a lot of people SI because they have conflict. Since bad people have no conflict (no conscience selfishness etc) the fact people who SI have conflict actually says something good about them. Psychopaths (Hilter etc) have no conflict about all the evil they do. Rellax a bit then and realize being sorry is good - but beating yourself up as if you had full control is not good - that's ego.
Last edited by Isoverity : 26-05-2009 at 06:18 AM.
so I guess I have a question about Christianity and SI. I am a Christian, have gone to church ever since I was a baby in arms. I believe in God and love him! He is my savior! =) But in the bible, I'm not sure what verse it is, but I know there is a verse that says not to harm yourself. Not saying in so many words not to self injure but implies that you should never harm your body intentionally because your body is the Lord's temple... so when I heard about this it made me feel like such a hypocrite... am I the only one that feels this way? Just wondering... I trust in the Lord, but people tell me that if I really did then I would know everything is in his hands and he controls all, that I wouldn't have to hurt myself. I know he controls everything but SI'ing helps me with my emotional pain and expressing my feelings... so idk... I guess I'm confused... =(
i feel the same way striving.
The BRAVEST thing
I ever did was CONTINUING MY LIFE when I wanted to die.
hey all wow i havent been on here in ages!!! on forums anyway... lol. hope your all ok :D any one going to soul survivor this year?? thats if uve ever heard of it? its gud anyways lol xxxxx
hey all wow i havent been on here in ages!!! on forums anyway... lol. hope your all ok :D any one going to soul survivor this year?? thats if uve ever heard of it? its gud anyways lol xxxxx
Hey! I was going to but decided not to because of exam results coming out at the same time! I was there the last two years though.
It's been AGES since I've been on this site at all, let alone the thread. How's everyone doing? Things are... same, here; not sure if that's a good or bad thing.
I've been completely conflicted these past couple of months. I want to go to church, I want to be in God's presence, but I never right anymore. I know it's me, because God hasn't changed, but it's been so long since I've really been truly at home w/ Him, it's like I've forgotten. Does that make any sense whatsoever?
We all wear masks, and the time comes when we cannot remove them without removing some of our own skin. ~André Berthiaume
That does make sense, but it definitely doesn't have to be like that forever. When we don't spend time with God it feels weird and distant when we start to come back. At the same time though we're dying to feel his presence because we need it and feel so empty and alone when we make ourselves feel apart.
5 months free today and no slip ups at all :) i've really been trying to see God's power recently and i completely neglected to just glance into my own life and recognise his grace until today.
'The nights of crying your eyes out give way to the days of laughter' Psalm 30 v 5
Then wear the gold hat, if that will move her;
If you can bounce high, bounce for her too,
Till she cry "Lover, gold-hatted, high-bouncing lover,
I must have you!"
Thomas Parke D’Invilliers
so I guess I have a question about Christianity and SI. I am a Christian, have gone to church ever since I was a baby in arms. I believe in God and love him! He is my savior! =) But in the bible, I'm not sure what verse it is, but I know there is a verse that says not to harm yourself. Not saying in so many words not to self injure but implies that you should never harm your body intentionally because your body is the Lord's temple... so when I heard about this it made me feel like such a hypocrite... am I the only one that feels this way? Just wondering... I trust in the Lord, but people tell me that if I really did then I would know everything is in his hands and he controls all, that I wouldn't have to hurt myself. I know he controls everything but SI'ing helps me with my emotional pain and expressing my feelings... so idk... I guess I'm confused... =(
I was wondering the same the other day, whether I am sinning when I cut. But I am honest to God, He sees my heart anyway, so I told him, and he knows that I do not want to stop becuase it helps me now to express my feelings. I just pray to Him to be close to me and do to me what He thinks is good, since I really don`t know what to do and hwere to go right now, but when He guides me then I know all will be well.
I hope you will find His love too. And if He seems far away, think of Jesus, who was so strong to overcome death. That power lies in you too through the Holy Spirit, you are a Child of God and even the cutting will not make this divine bit of you, this Spirit, go away.*hugs*
I'm a Christian I was saved when i was 5 or 6 i've been SIing for about a year i'm 12 right now. ive been trying to stop cutting for good because i know he doesn't like it when i hurt myself i have sliped up a couple times but i haven't cut in about 2 or 3 weeks =) i'll pray for every one here and i ask for your prayers also.
Last edited by alliekatisnotokay : 02-06-2009 at 08:51 PM.
I often include everyone and/or certain people from RYL in my prayers. God bless x
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