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Enigma.: I think some people just add the warnings to be on the safe side though. Bleeding Angel: it seems like you cant say anything nowadays without having to put a warning lable on it, even if what you have said isnt that bad, or even tirggering waterfall_of_tears: they have a point about the labels Enigma.: I know I do. griddlebone: The trigger warnings are a very difficult thing to decide onfairytale dreamer: Also, eating disorder forum with an ED trigger label... does it really need that label if it's in that forum? Fallen Rain: But the Serious Discussion Board says on the front that it contains triggering material IceBreak: i dont think there is actual any like clear cut details on whats what right now. Fallen Rain: Aye. Harley: IceBreak: I too will be watching closely for repeats of a couple of threads recently in FandCQ where members e had suggestions and ideas ripped apart. But I think with a team dedicated to being able to take suggestions and make them happen - this feeling wont last long Duffer44: what about forum discristions i find them confusing what to post where will they be altered? IceBreak: coolio :) griddlebone: alot of the time people put labels on 'just in case' Harley: fairytale dreamer: Again that is also something currently pending Enigma.: Aye that's what I said, Liv. fairytale dreamer: Maybe if the forum discriptions were clearer and in bold, then the excessive labling wouldn't be such a problem? Harley: Duffer44: One of the threads on day one of the new Community Team will be just that Dfuff IceBreak: yeah i think that would be a good way of sorting the problem steph Puppet Strings: We can't stop people putting labels on, and people do do it "just in case". It's very time consuming to have to go and take them off, or ask people to do so. Pencils: does it really matter if people put a couple too many labels on threads?? IceBreak: could you not just say expect this thing in so and so forums so they wont like wonder in not knowing what to expect and stuff? Enigma.: I guess some boards could look daunting by the amount of labels though, Alice. Duffer44: i use labels but what triggers one person wont trigger another so labels have to be used to be safe :\ Fallen Rain: Aye, but if there was a message up for a while etc, some people would stop, and it would slowly flitter out Fallen Rain: There is a 'what to post in this forum' thing in each forum fairytale dreamer: If it's clear that the forum they are entering contains triggering stuff, for whatever subject (ed, si ect.) then labels such as "trigger ed" shouldn't be needed Harley: Puppet Strings: Well, alot of members still overlook the power of reporting threads. the mods are now super fast and organised at doing reports, we have great systems behind the scenes for it - so members asking for things like title spelling mistake changes, whether it needs a label etc are really a very good ay way helping out Harley: I am also looking into having switches so members can turn labelsoff if they so which, or certain labels. Keys.: The post report button is a good clicky thingy. Harley: But that is pretty complicated griddlebone: the post report button is fantastic :P griddlebone: makes things a lot easier Fallen Rain: Aye, trigger warnings would have a lot more weight beneath them if there was less excsessive, like if there was a SU warning in the ED forum you're much more liekly to take in the weight of it before clicking it than in the SD forum... I think at least. Puppet Strings: Yes, post reports people! Enigma.: Will there be any changes to the SID board? Harley: The 'RYL needs to be safe' versus the 'RYL is too damn cotton wooly' argument will also rage - I'm not sure we will ever satisfy both Bleeding Angel: there was something mentioned beofore about putting last self harm/suicide/ esct dates in your signatures, i dont know what happend with that. griddlebone: Theres a very fine balance and it cant cater to everyone Fallen Rain: ISn't that why people now have it under a hide thingy? IceBreak: yeah.... because noone can ever be happy about everything Bleeding Angel: some people hide it some people dont fairytale dreamer: Some people have it under a hide, others don't fairytale dreamer: I think something clear needs to be said about that because atm people seem unsure Bleeding Angel: there hasnt been a definate rule made on it yet griddlebone: Harley I was wondering if there was any way of having a 'what to put/not put in signatures' thread? Harley: Just so everyone knows, I can see there are some questions slipping through. We are logging this obviously and will be dealing with everything - so if you dont get a reply right now, reask the question or else we will probably be contacting you about it over the next few days IceBreak: yeah. I wouldnt personally do it and some i dont mind its ones where they put smileys and things after it to make it more like... emotive i think is the word im using.. Keys.: I think dates and stuff should go? That's what the moving forward forum is for. Bleeding Angel: its when people make it a negative thing that annoys me Keys.: Ok. I'll stop coming in with stupid comments/questions now. AbandonedPixie: And there is the thing in your profile where people can post dates if they want to. Harley: I am personally sceptical of hiding too much, and getting too cotton wooly... I did make Ruin remember :P fairytale dreamer: yeah. But also if it;s been quite a while.. maybe a month of more it's seen as something positive? Enigma.: My question about the SID was that a lot of threads or questions there are better put in the FA forum? Is anything to do with that going to happen? Puppet Strings: I think it was decided, for now, that general dates such as last self-harm are okay, whereas last purge are not so accepted and may be more triggering. PropheticStar: I think that you should be only allowed to put a date in when you have reached a certain amount of time, like "Last cut - two months ago" for example Keys.: It's like...why would you broadcast that? fairytale dreamer: how are they different thought Rach? Purging is just as bad as SI? Bleeding Angel: and the sad faces Sky Fairy: Any chance of having last cut/last si in your profile? Enigma.: I only use the "1 month free, etc" in my profile, if that. IceBreak: and theres a certain few that still do it Harley: part of the CT teams roles will be reporting certain things, and the SID forum needs a good look at, we know that and you can expect it to be tackled along with lots of other things once the team kicks in Puppet Strings: I know, but it's more specific. Fallen Rain: Aye, or when people have ldates of there last 5 shs/ods etc fairytale dreamer: I agree Erin
Aphelion went away. ispeakforthetrees: lik i am confsued Bleeding Angel: i dont really want to know when people last suicide attempts are either Puppet Strings: But who's to be running the CT? One mod, numerous mods?
Sky Fairy came back. Harley: IceBreak: surely that is reason for us to club together and try help them more though? PropheticStar: if people do it that way its showing how well they've done, rather then almost boasting about how recently they have SH Keys.: I've lost what's going on now. Beautifully Broken: I don't mind having dates in sigs. It can look encouraging to some members who are trying to recover to see that it is possible to do it. Enigma.: But I guess you don't know whether they are or not, Erin. IceBreak: yeah... but sometimes they dont want the help and yet put it there anyhow... Sky Fairy: I think they should put there last whatever in their profile? Keys.: But what dates though? fairytale dreamer: That's a good idea Sky Fairy. Adding an option into the profiles so you can say when you're last SI was? then you're not forced to look at it if you don't want to IceBreak: im not being mean or nasty or anything
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Tinkerbelle left the room. (Going to The Coffee Shop) Sky Fairy: Yup Keys.: 3/4 days, that's not exactly...well. I won't say. It's offensive. Bleeding Angel: no ann your right Fallen Rain: Aye or theres a somewhat ... competitive element to it? Enigma.: Putting SI is fair enough - but binging/purging? :\ Keys.: Or anything. Why is it necessary? Beautifully Broken: But to some people Amy, 3/4 days can be seen as a huge achievement. I know it did to me when I started my recovery. Keys.: Sigs are there for self expression/names etc etc, something to 'tag' a post of yuors with AbandonedPixie: People can put it in their profile Bleeding Angel: its not offensive amy but the people that make it a really negitive thing with the sad faces and that PropheticStar: i find putting last suicide attempt really... erm... for lack of a better word, tacky Enigma.: I'm just meaning some may find it helping to post how well they are doing. Harley: Yeah that is true. And it might sound ambitious but if my plans all work out - RYL will have the capacity to know how to help those members, a get them out of that state. It really is a cry for help, and sometimes the best thing to do is listen Puppet Strings: I think putting it in a positive way, such as "I'm 2 months free! Yay", would be better than "last cut 19th April" Keys.: Why tag it with self harm stuff? Obviously it's a self harm support site, but it's not all about self harm. ispeakforthetrees: like the counters what do we hink Enigma.: But putting purges, for instance - well that's part of an illness? I don't know what I'm trying to say. Fallen Rain: Aye, if you go back to the original use of a signiture... do you really want yourself tagged with your sh/od/ed? Duffer44: i find like dates and stuff personnel and something i wouldnt post unless i had gone a long time free :\ Fallen Rain: But surely that's what we're trying to eer away from? Harley: I considered a drop down selection of 'safe and suitable' answers, that could perha work Fallen Rain: Or like, help out with. IceBreak: yeah. harley but sometimes the people that want the help cant and will not ask for it even if they are on a support site especially after being here a while Beautifully Broken: I've noticed that Ann. People make support threads for another member and the mods just end up locking it. Keys.: I want to see dates banished from sigs. And put in profiles. Harley: I would advise anyone who is troubled by counters etc to switch off Sigs anyway, makes RYL quicker to browse around too! Keys.: I don't care to see 'last cut yada yada' in sigs here, there and everywhere. And I like having the other sigs on. Enigma.: You can switch off signatures?! Bleeding Angel: but i like looking at sigs Tearsthroughpain: I agree with Amy Fallen Rain: RYL is already amazingly fast now. Keys.: But that might just be personal preference. Keys.: A lot of sigs are amazing, colourful, inspirational and pretty. Duffer44: its in your control pannel Enigma.: And supportive. Some of us have supportive ones. :) Keys.: And some are ruined by smacking a 'last suicide = x' 'last cut = x' etc etc Fallen Rain: And there's the eZine competiton sig thingy Harley: The whole idea is to develop a system whereby even those who don't want to 'recover' can still get help to feel better, be that about themselves or just generally IceBreak: harley that still wasnt what i was saying but yeah that sounds good Enigma.: I had a question about that, actually :\ fairytale dreamer: I don't quite see how a system like that would worl Aphelion: Can I ask something? Keys.: Everyone agrees with me. Crazy Rabbit Lady: that does sound good, but they don't have to flaunt that though do they? Enigma.: How would a person who doesn't want to recover keep within the rules in these cases? Harley: Ice I do see what you mean, but trust me I think it can be tackled :) Puppet Strings: But it's a recovery support site, we can't tell some people it's okay to continiue if they feel like it & others they should stop because they want to. Duffer44: harley you know in a post you said about stuff for self confidence and stuff about happening about opening up and asking for support whats happening with that? Aphelion: What's going to happen to all these chatrooms? I don't think there's a need for 6 and they're not clearly labeled. The names are misleading. IceBreak: Hmmm.... im not so sure harley but if you can get me to talk you will be onto a good thing :P Beautifully Broken: I agree with Maja, there's really not much need for six. Its not very often that they all get used. Harley: Again, this is stuff that is going to be opened up to the CT team, it isnt advisable to get the whole community in on every decision and discussoon PropheticStar: Can I answer that one Harls? Fallen Rain: We only use aout two or three Crazy Rabbit Lady: sometimes they have all been used though Harley: Enigma.: There would be no rules, we are not going to force anyone to do anything - how would that help PropheticStar: i have a plan Maja Duffer44: so whats eins master plan? PropheticStar: i think, given alot of trouble we have had with fights that have broken out over inproper use of that chat rooms, i was thinking about cutting the number of rooms down to four PropheticStar: and have them more clearly labeled *General* *Serous General* *General Serious* & (Serious* Harley: Lots of people seem to think RYL has some agenda, but really the up and coming changes are purely designed to make sure we can 'do things' alot faster. Which means if we collectively come up with something that will help, we can do it PropheticStar: names are a work in progress IceBreak: hmmm.... how can you have general serious? Keys.: Serious general and general serious? :p fairytale dreamer: waht's the difference between serous general and general serious? Fallen Rain: I think they mean meixed? Harley: Yeah I think four would be a good balance, we plan / hope on bringing more event chats too Aphelion: Okay but what happens in those mixed rooms if someone asks for support? Crazy Rabbit Lady: We used to only have three and often they were all busy. Sometimes having a small number of rooms is hard to deal with when you feel bad PropheticStar: but that way, there are less rooms, so there aren't wasted rooms, and they will be more clearly labeled which will hopefully stop all the kerfuffled about "this is x type of room, so you cant say that in here" Duffer44: mixed one more serious than general and one more general than serious? Enigma.: General serious veers more into General chat? PropheticStar: the idea is, in one room, general takes precedence over serious conversation because the room leans more towards chit chat then support, and visa versa for the other room Harley: I can see regular nights of the week having an extra room open for some reason or anyone, and so four will be a good balance. Sadly we are waiting on James to fix our chat admin panel, and until that is done those things are still pending AbandonedPixie: What about if you are in a room and somebody says something that triggers you and you just want to room hop but not be involved in a conversation, with 6 rooms you can move to an empty room, most of the time. Enigma.: How do you know if you can ask for support? PropheticStar: the names are justr an example, im not actually going to call them that :p ispeakforthetrees: yeh we need to make sure its clear ispeakforthetrees: you know even though we have the labels Fallen Rain: Would it be possible to have chat supporter type people? I thik this was discussed on one of the threads too, a way of showing if you were happy to support? Fallen Rain: Or people who had a role in supporting on chat? fairytale dreamer: Is there any way of bringing in a new feature so that in the participants list it can say if you'd like to receive support, give support, or neither? Enigma.: Have all these plans been planned for a while? PropheticStar: well, say in the more general of the mixed rooms, you can ask for support,, but if people dont support, you cant get upset, and if you ask for support in the more serious mixed room, then people should support you Crazy Rabbit Lady: I think though, whatever rooms you have there will always be fights and issues with it. there is never a perfect solution klo_flo: Fallen Rain: That is the plan in the future ;) feel_the_release: they would also be in order from general to serious rather than mixed up like they are now Beautifully Broken: I sometimes find it very hard to come into a mixed room in chat and ask for support as I don't want to interrupt anybody's conversations. feel_the_release: increasing in seriousness down the list Enigma.: Chat support people would be good. feel_the_release: it is only mixed currently as the rooms are alphabetical rather than in order of seriousness Harley: Fallen Rain: Well, I like the idea of having chat sessions with special rooms set up with plenty of supporters, and to encourage more supporters into the normal chat rooms at times in between. I know we have already disucssed making them appear a different colour too Tinkerbelle: Can I ask a question? Puppet Strings: A different colour in chat only, or both forums and chat? Crazy Rabbit Lady: what abhout those that are not strictly supporters yet happy to support? anyway to idneify them too? Keys.: That's asking an awful lot of the supporters. Harley: The supporters have a really impressive system of how to help people going together, so they would be a good influence in chat Enigma.: What happens if the supporters in the room don't feel up to supporting? PropheticStar: fyi if anyone has any decent room names, please pm me :D Enigma.: Can you switch the colour on and off? Duffer44: harley you said stuff about bringing back the 5 reply rule in threads anymore you can give us on that? Harley: Yeah I am planning on making it much easier for all staff members to go 'off duty' - its something I think we badly need, for their sakes more than anything! Tinkerbelle: I think we shoul have a section for b9 to 11 year olds fairytale dreamer: I agree that that's asking an awful lot of the supports. I think it would be better for anyone to be able to say if they feel up to supporting or not feel_the_release: you can turn your colour off Aphelion: So you do intend on giving the Supporters colours in chat? Puppet Strings: You can never fully go "off duty", you're always "on duty" in member's eyes. That's how I see it. feel_the_release: or have a backwards account :p... Crazy Rabbit Lady: yeh Rach that's very true Tinkerbelle: as a lot of children need support as well Enigma.: What about people who want to support but aren't official Supporters yet? Keys.: I don't think supporters should be 'chat supporters' as it were. fairytale dreamer: There aren;t that many 9-11 year olds on here, are there? PropheticStar: nothing should stop normal members from supporting if they want to Keys.: They have the choice to go on live help, and to answer emails Keys.: And even to answer threads Crazy Rabbit Lady: that should be a choice same as people offering support on the forums is a choice, so anyone could do it feel_the_release: surely chat support is the live help system? really? Tinkerbelle: No there isnt Keys.: But what if they use chat a lot just for social stuff and a release Beautifully Broken: I agree with Amy. Perhaps have other members who want to be chat supporters take on the role if they are willing to? Keys.: I don't think they should have to use it there as well. Keys.: If the new system is that impressive, it should be used on live help to give one to one, not in chat with a bunch of other people around. Enigma.: Live Help isn't always online, though. Fallen Rain: Aye, but what about having a general thing in chat to show if you're ok to give support, like mentioned on the threads, so anyone could show they are happy to support. Enigma.: And the Chat is good for people who need support in real time speed. Tinkerbelle: I am willing to be a chat supporter fairytale dreamer: Perphaps the supporters could be encouraged to use live help more? I rarley see anyone online on it. Harley: Well, not too much as it's again going to be a CT thing. There will, when everything is 'complete' be vastly more scrutiny over threads in the forums, and it will be possible for CT members to help threads that need it, thereby ensuring that threads that have been answered and are done with fall naturally, while threads that obviously need more replies get more attention, without the need for loads of extra *bump* posts everywhere Puppet Strings: But more supporters are coming it, meaning more live help online. Keys.: But what I'm saying is that if this new system is so smooth and running etc, live help should be a LOT more productive and online in the future. klo_flo: Since we are talking Supporters I might but in.... Fallen Rain: I like chat support in that it can help to have the input of several people, and several people's experience, and in a way it's less formal and more friendly and I think less pressurising to those giving support because you've got lots of people to help. klo_flo: There are more Supporters coming in. Being a Supporter has always been a role where you do as much as you can when you can. They always have the choice to do the type of supporting.... but always without doing too much. Keys.: Yes, Abigail, but that's where the other members should come in. Enigma.: About supporting when you can, etc. klo_flo: Chat Supporter would not necessarily be too much different. Having them a different colour is being discussed - but typiceally they are unknown anyway. So they wouldn't have mod powers, but hang around support room... when the Supporter felt up to it and offer their ears and shoulders. IceBreak: yeah but the thing with being in chat and asking for support is that you feel like your not asking someone to do their duty,... like maybe thats how you would feel on live help... sorta thing Crazy Rabbit Lady: I think it's just that LH used to be online nearly all the time a couple of yeasr ago and at the mo it's not on much at all. That's not a critism, just a noticement of how things ahve changed, but hopefully the new supporters will sort that Fallen Rain: No, I meant for why support should happen in chat, with like, normal chat people, and yeah I Think I got lost somewhere, ignore me. Harley: Some people want one on one private support - and I plan on LH being online ALOT more to provide a proper service for that. But there is also a lot of validity in group therapy, and a supporter in chat while everyone is discussg their problems would without doubt lead to more support and better advice. Not to say normal members dont have a lot to say, but supporters do have the place as well Keys.: Yeah. That's what I mean. Tinkerbelle: If yhou wanted staff on live help I would volunteer Keys.: No, Harley, because in chat, if one person is being supportive, generally everyone else goes on talking about other things klo_flo: There are always member that support along side the Supporters on the Forums, chat would be no different? fairytale dreamer: It;s hard to support one person in a chat room full of 20-odd other people IceBreak: uhu thats true and tbh if there was a supporter in chat the person asking for help might get less than usua; klo_flo: That is what PM is for! Enigma.: What about whispering in Chat for support? Keys.: That's not a criticism, people come into chat for all sorts of reasons and unfortunately it's near impossible to try and get everyone to be supportive, because half the time most of the users are in chat to get AWAY from the problems, not confront them. Crazy Rabbit Lady: yeh, i agree witrh amy. i have regularly found myswelf supporting two or three people and everyone else generally chatting Enigma.: Sometimes you get randon whispers - maybe it would be easier for people to have a colour so they CAN be whispered for support? Fallen Rain: Unless it's someone who is very well known in a group of people. Not in a ngeative way, but if it's a lot of regular's with one regular having a serious problem, they are more likely to get support, Keys.: Then the chat is irrelevant Harley: Indeed. Basically other than special chats, we are only talking about their being more supporters, and that will naturally mean more in chat Keys.: If they take it to PM it may as well be live help Harley: Yeah, the balance on support is what its all about feel_the_release: I find that if someone is being supported in main chat... they end up PMing the people who are supporting them the most anyway Harley: that is what I personally feel we need to shift with these changes Keys.: It's not going to work. If a supporter comes into chat these days, it's usually to take a break, to chill out or get some support themselves. feel_the_release: and support dies in main chat Crazy Rabbit Lady: how many supporters will there be once the new ones are inplace? fairytale dreamer: I think Live Help needs to be online more often, and chat also needs a feature where you can volunteer yourself to support but not as a permanent thing. Keys.: The changes aren't going to shift. klo_flo: Amy - ye of little faith. Keys.: I'm sorry if that's pessimistic, but it's been this way as long as I remember ryl chat. Keys.: But that's how chat is at the moment! Keys.: If people want to support they DO. Keys.: So they ARE volunteering, effectively. Enigma.: Well. Crazy Rabbit Lady: and often people support even if they dont feel up to it Duffer44: ok but people find it hard to ask for support in chat when people are talking general stuff in support rooms IceBreak: yeah cos i wouldnt like to actually come into chat and be around a supporters no offence to them or anythign but if i wanted help i would be more likely to talk with just people i know rather than supporters feel_the_release: Unless organised group support occurs... support in main chat seems to be infrequent Harley: Well i find it hard to believe that chat would be made worse by supporters being able to a) go off duty so they can relax and b) go on duty and give members access to all the information and links and help they have Keys.: Exactly, people often feel obligated to do so. Enigma.: I'm meaning when someone suddenly starts PMing you for support and you're not able to. Enigma.: I've had that and it can make you feel really bad. Keys.: Imagine the increase in pressure if they then became a known supporter in chat as well. Keys.: But how would they go off duty? ispeakforthetrees: i cn tell people what room they are iin Keys.: How is that going to work exactly? fairytale dreamer: No, i mean like something showing that they are willing to support, so they can be PMed rather than ask in main chat becayse a lot of people find it difficult to say something in a busy main chat PropheticStar: same way I go off duty? Enigma.: What about people who aren't supporters as well though? Keys.: What, go invisible? Puppet Strings: I don't think they can ever fully go off duty. If people are used to them supporting, then they'll turn for them for support whether they're off duty or not. Keys.: Or on a different name? Enigma.: Everyone have the option? Tinkerbelle: If you could make me a supporter I would be on helping all the time I am willing to become one IceBreak: yeah cos sometimes i come in wanting to ask but then feel like.. i shoudlnt be upsetting anyone in chat you know? PropheticStar: different name usually Harley: The mods manage, and the supporters do it via LH all the time Keys.: Because I've found that if people know it's you, they talk to you regardless of which name you're using. Keys.: And if they don't know it's you, it gets tiring to be spoken to as a newb. Sky Fairy: I'm not sure if this suggestion has already been mentioned or is in place, but I think there should be an option where you can filter yourself to "Need Urgent Support", "Need Support" "Need support but scared of talking." " doesn't need support" Etc... Probably stupid idea, and people may abuse the "Need urgent Support" PropheticStar: i think i pretty much have everyone trained to know my off duty name is me, and means off duty :p Puppet Strings: The mods can go under a different name, go offline, whatever, and yet they'll still get PMs from people that will need immediate attention. So much for off duty. feel_the_release: I do quite often get asked mod questions or sent logs when off duty so I can see how people might ask for support from supporters when off duty Beautifully Broken: I've seen me replying to threads and getting PM's or adds on MSN, not knowing who they are because I don't pay attention to usernames, I read the threads. Crazy Rabbit Lady: yeh but you have still had to go out of that nam,e and onto your mod name to kick people, so youre never off duty which is how it would be for the supproters and is how it is for anyone supportive at the mo Enigma.: People who aren't supporters wanting to help, maybe? Keys.: I personally can rarely turn someone away when they need support, and I'm not the only one. Keys.: And I'm not even like, a support or whatever as it were. Crazy Rabbit Lady: yup me too amy and im not even a supporter Tinkerbelle: I am willing to become a supporter IceBreak: yeah cos i can think of one person that will support everyone even if it proves detrimental to her AbandonedPixie: If someone asks for support you help as much as you can whether you are a supporter or not [generally] Aphelion: Why don't you just make a trial out of it? klo_flo: There is always the Supporters email address and it would be down to the Supporter to offer this if they weren't feeling up to it. And then down to the member to be respectful enough to realise they are off duty. It's a two way things but something that can work.... it's no different on the Forums. Keys.: We heard, Tinkerbelle, but that isn't the discussion at hand right now.There will be another application in the future, why not wait for them and apply? Keys.: It IS different to the forums though Chloe. Crazy Rabbit Lady: itd easier to p[ut off a pm on the forums than explain to soemone in chat why you cant support, especially if trhey are in a state Harley: Another new feature coming to RYL as part of the changes is the ability to read and reply to threads completely via email, without visiting the website. There will still be a link to the rules etc, but it will mean reply rates go up, and various other things as well (speed of post reports etc) klo_flo: Not the fact that Supporters have the ability to choose and that members should and can be respectful love. Tinkerbelle: I will apply hen I see it Puppet Strings: I don't think everyone can do that Chloe though. E-mail takes longer, if you get a PM from someone desperately needing or wanting help it's surely hard to say "here's an e-mail address, I'm off duty, wait for someone else to reply despite the fact you want immediate help|" klo_flo: And normally the Supporters do communicate because they, like everyone on this site, came here for their own reasons too. Keys.: I just think what's being asked for is way over the bar. klo_flo: No-one expects a Mod to be online 24/7 so the expectations should be no different. Keys.: But they are! Aphelion: ..Why not ask the actual supporters? Fallen Rain: Maybe some of this we could trust staff to sort out behind the scenes? Crazy Rabbit Lady: but people do, not in that literal sense, but whenever they are there they are expected to support Keys.: And even mods are contacted 24/7, online or not. klo_flo: That said, the Supporters do bend over backwards to help Puppet Strings: Exactly, and then why they came here in the first place is shoved to the back of their minds. Fallen Rain: because we're going to be here all night on it, when perhaps it's somethign they need to talk about over a time. Crazy Rabbit Lady: they are ace and it would be bad to stretch people further than they are able to be stretched klo_flo: Aphelion: I agree with that. There are assumptions being made and the team is really quite fantastic. Harley: I really think that is a problem that can continually be adjusted, if it exists at all, until it is sorted - so we needed worry too much about it. We can see from other teams kinda how it will be, and anything more than that I am sure we can sort klo_flo: Keys.: Oh no no, I didn't mean anyone was - I was simply praising them ;) Keys.: They volunteer to spend their time helping out everyone else via thread replies, emails and on live help. Crazy Rabbit Lady: maybe we need specific support accounts maybe 5 or something Support 1, etc, where people sign in under that and then can offer support? fairytale dreamer: i agree with amy Harley: Then we will start with organised planned chats - group therapy style and see how it goes Harley: we needed make any commitments klo_flo: Keys.: And no-one would be telling them to do anything ;) It all gets discussed =P Crazy Rabbit Lady: then they dont have the issue of their screen names,m but that does take away from thsoe of us who do want to offer supprot regardless of whether being a supporter or not klo_flo: Crazy Rabbit Lady: This is one of the reasons Supporters aren't a different colour on the Forums Harley: Indeed, I am not going to make any promises or plans on their behalf. fairytale dreamer: yeah but then you might get people using those accounts wrongly? (if that makes sense) klo_flo: And a reason why the colours are being discussed and not decided on. Duffer44: the areas of support and lack of it in some threads i know it can depend on how the user posts and stuff but is there any way to help the poster improve the way they post or ways we can get others to look at ways to support other members? Fallen Rain: We do have a thread on improving the way to post. It may need bumping. Puppet Strings: Why are we even discussing this if it hasn't all been fully run past the supporters yet? Surely that's not fair on them. Harley: They have done fantastically well in advancing the level of service they provide in recent weeks / months and I am sure with the continuation of the plans set down a while ago they will be able to come up with something :) Keys.: This does seem like it should be hashed out with the supporters first. Fallen Rain: I know Emma made one, and then Trace made on, I think. Keys.: And chat mods. Keys.: Because it will affect those 2 groups most of all. Harley: Yup, right now RYL massively lacks advice, information, a support network Harley: the plan is for that to change, dramatically Harley: to the point where RYL is a real leader in terms of SI support klo_flo: We are throwing around ideas, nothing concrete... as H and I said, no promises would be made without talking to the right people fairytale dreamer: When are all the articles being put up on the mainsite? Harley: The Ct's will be helping with that, so around a week before the first ones, but with plans for masses to go up in the next year IceBreak: you have to do it in a way where noone feels they are getting left behind though... that might be the most difficult problem to overcome. Fallen Rain: could a temp forum be made for articles whilst the main site gets set up? klo_flo: "to the point where RYL is a real leader in terms of SI support" I agree and I also think as Duff said, it means people being able to and feeling able to post appropriately to get support Puppet Strings: Who is to be running the CT? If it's a mod, or the mods, why haven't they been told? fairytale dreamer: I've seen plenty of people asking for articles which are around apparently, but normal members can't acess them. Puppet Strings: There's been trouble with the amount of people able to put things on the main site, and it's apparently confusing too. Harley: We are specifcally going to be working on project such as 'increasing the welcoming atmosphere for new members' and 'helping someone who has plateaued with their recovery through it' fairytale dreamer: Fair enough if they can't be put on the main site ruight now... but what about doing with Abigail suggested and putting them all in a temp. sub forum somewhere so they can be accessed by everyone? Crazy Rabbit Lady: Have you got any further about whether to use my PM or a variant of it or not? IceBreak: yeah harley.... but what happens to the members that feel that they are being left behind and dont want to say anything? what could be done to help them? Duffer44: harley remember the tv shows that ruin did anything like that planned to change peoples ideas on how they look at sites like this? Harley: Puppet Strings: I have already shifted my focus on the site away from running the teams like Mods etc - and the Heads are doing great there. I now move to running the CT, along with Craola and Aimee in Wonderland Crazy Rabbit Lady: ok, thats cool. i am still PMing all members and I have made myself a target for people, lol. Just wondered where it was going on. People are finding it very helpful though *nods* Puppet Strings: Trace, we're thinking of shortening your PM a little, and using a variant of it. :) fairytale dreamer: Trace maybe just now you could make a different account for welcoming people with ypur PM so you're not so much of a noob target? Harley: Many of the articles of course need to be written - but I can assure you you will see a dramatic difference in RYL once all this properly kicks in. new content in most sections every day, dozens of detailed helpful articles a month in the advices sections, and some other really important stuff, like lots more distractions :) Harley: We are about to make a new 'welcome to RYL pm' Harley: indeed already have, just finalising it before it goes up AbandonedPixie: Didn't there used to be a welcome to RYL PM? Harley: There is, but it has been much improved Crazy Rabbit Lady: would you prefer me to stop PMingf mine? Bleeding Angel: Im going to raise a question about the first aid bored. Bleeding Angel: I personally think something really needs to change, ive notice alot recently that people post after overdosing, asking for help, yet refusing to do any of the suggested things, and it gets rather repetative saying the same things over and over and not being listend to. Its also unfair for other members to get worried and concerend over it. I really think people shouldnt post asking for overdose advice if they say in psot one they are not getting help. i dont know if its just me that thinks this? Harley: As of next week I am also moving a completely new system in terms of availability. I will have everything routing instantly through a device in my pocket, meaning I can be in touch with all the heads of teams 24/7 and actually be able to do something about it. Aphelion: Isn't that a little invasive? The 24/7 thing.
I'm trying to read it all through. Well done to all who are editing it - that must take some effort! Now reading it through I've come up with a million more things to say but I've said enough lol. Look forward to seeing the finished product!
I've tried to put things into categories so people can read what they want and ignore the bits they don't want to read.
Questions are in red, answers in blue.
Bold red is unanswered questions.
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Alcohol
Liquid: Can we ban the glamorization of alcohol abuse?
klo_flo: That already is a rule break ;) send in post reports about any alcohol glamorisation in the forums.
Aphelion: Does that include mentioning alcohol at ALL?
Aphelion: Like " I'm drinking a Stella" kinda thing.
Liquid: Like coming in and saying 'omgz im so drunk' etc
bitter_angel: you cant ban the complete mention of alcohol or the substance abuse forum would be complete unused
bitter_angel: i know this is hypocritical, but it should be banned to come on ryl when drunk
Puppet Strings: How can you stop those drunk coming online?!
caffeine_queen: it was banned. then it appeared that lots of people who were tipsy were in dire need of help
RhubarbDali: sorry but when you are drunk you are going to feel down and want support... why should we stop those people getting support?
The New CT team
Harley: lots of bases are going to be covered by the CT team
Harley: all future staff members will come from this team, except for the FA's (who are much harder to come by and need different knowledege)
Harley: And the CT team will take on lots of little roles from the other teams to give them more time to dedicate to what they do best
Harley: Yes, I know the staff are as much in the dark about most of this as the members - I can assure you that no changes will be made to teams before these plans have been discussed further with the teams involved
fairytale dreamer: Will everyone get a chance to join the CT or will existing staff members get priority?
Puppet Strings: & can mods join, or will it only be WAimee & crAimee mod wise?
Crazy Rabbit Lady: do you know how many people you are looking for in the CT and do they have to have any particular 'qualities' for want of a better word?
Harley: No reason the team couldn’t be two hundred in size, but we will be having monthly spring cleans to make sure everyone in there is still involved. Joining is dead easy, so we will pretty much just reset everyone every month to make sure we have everyone on the same page
Harley: I don’t want to put limits on members wanting to help, be it for 1 minute or 1 year
so will it be mods running the CT or have you got other ideas?
Smokey: Harley will that forum (community matters) include how to apply for all the teams?
Harley: ALL staff members (supporters, especially Mods) will come from the CT team, it is the stepping stone - so there would be more info about moving up in those forums
Crazy Rabbit Lady: what about people who might want to support but dont feel able to do the CT? for exmaple?
Puppet Strings: I fear this CT thing will make those not involved feel inferior, as it'll be a big team.
Harley: I shouldn’t think so. We all know that there are some of us who cant reply and need help, some of us who can, and thank god for it! I think the same will apply here. Those who want to help out and who have the time can, those who don’t get to reap the rewards from a much improved site
Harley: No two members of the CT will be doing exactly the same jobs, some will work only on the main site, some only on the forums, some both, some only on support type things - and so the CT team will encompass all the other teams and have a place for anyone, whatever they want to or are best at
Crazy Rabbit Lady: Will people possibly be rejected from the role?
bitter_angel: will that replace member schemes couch? And who decides who does what? Puppet Strings: Harley, I know you said the CT will be a step up to modness & other staff roles, but can a mod be involved in the CT?
Duffer44 how can we tackle members who feel left out i mean there are a lot of groups on ryl in every board there’s a room/squad is there a way to make people feel they don’t have to join one to be part of ryl i know about ct but i mean other things?
Harley: join the CT team - because that is one of its primary goals :)
Rules
Tearsthroughpain: You know the "No suicide threats" rule...Is it allowed to be broken in either of those? Its just I find when I read a friends it puts me in a scary situation as I have no idea what I can do... I don't know if anybody else feels the same?
Puppet Strings: No, the rule shouldn't be broken. Report it.
bitter_angel: i think journals should have a report button
Reports
JoshuaKAL: Can we have a report button in chat, so if a troll or someone causing trouble is in you report and it goes directly to an online mod instead of us annoying mods on msn or whatever?
feel_the_release: a report system thing might help us. When we receive emails.... we often don't know who sent it to us (screen name wise)
Harley: Auto reporting in chat would indeed be sweet, but I cant see it happening (not my code to write) and threads already have them, obviously. I am looking into Journals too at the moment, but its mighty hard
Swearing
JoshuaKAL: Another one can we have an option to have the swear filter on?
Harley:I have looked at this before and it is on the to do list, but fairly low down right now
Unanswered Questions
Puppet Strings: Right, Arcade. I know, I know, I bang on about it. Is there a way we can only allow members to submit their highest score? If not, I think a button you have to press after each score to submit one would lower the scoreboard spam.
Smokey: Is it going to be possible to ever have an e-mail form like on V2 where a person was required to put their username in order to send an e-mail?
Crazy Rabbit Lady: could you maybe change it somehow, like you know the LH thing where you can write if they are offline, and you fill in certain bits, could you get one for the chat mods?
Bodriz: could we possibly have something where we can completely hide ourselves from a member? like the ignore thing but backwards?
bitter_angel: bodriz, i don’t think that would work. i mean what if you made a thread
so will it be mods running the CT or have you got other ideas?
Mods
fairytale dreamer: could it maybe be clearer as to what mods to contact for certain issues? like ED forums mods, meet mods ect? I know they all exist.. But it's hard to know who does what
Puppet Strings: Steph, there's stickies on that.
Harley: Yup, in the pipeline
Fundraising
feel_the_release: swim the channel? was that on your list?
Harley: No, but wondering whether I could fund a new server by jumping out of an aeroplane is :P
E-zine
Puppet Strings: can we have new eZiners asap. There's only 2 of us on the team, really. :|
Harley: hence the lack of size restrictions in the team
Puppet Strings: We have people in the pipeline, they're just not added yet, eZine wise.
Harley: ezine is a nightmare atm and its all my fault, will get to it, but I am obviously distracted
fairytale dreamer: With the ezine.. i think parts of it should be made more public in advance. Like maybe on the last page of say July's issue have what will be the main articles in August's issue so if people have a certain thing they want to submit, or a piece of art or photography that they think would go well with it, they get the chance to do something.
Puppet Strings: That's a good idea Steph, but would take a lot of organising. Maybe something for the future
Harley: And yeah, I would like more interaction, more submitting - it seems very few people want to comment or get involved though, which is a pity - more people just want it pdf with no nks or videos or commenting
Chat
TheSuffererComplex: I have an idea that I've been thinking about. How about something that lets you choose which chatroom you automatically connect t
Harley: I have plans for a much better chat front page, with info on events, stats back and links to the different rooms - but it is technically harder than it sounds!
Harley: Do you find that having an On Duty Mod improves the quality of chat
Smokey: I think it does if the mod actually boots people after they have threatened to
Duffer44 not always not everyone respects mods
bitter_angel: Again, i think it depends on the mods. A lot of the mods have peoples respect.
Smokey:some mods, it seems in an attempt to not be over zealous, will threaten a lot, but never boot anyone
PurpleNightmare: a lot of the mods don't kick people fast enough.. they just let them go on and on
Harley: that is certainly something we all need to think about further
Aphelion: I just think the mods authority needs to be reinforced more
Liquid: is coming into chat, saying 'ive cut its bleeding i dont know what to do' banned?
Zeitgeist: In Serious, I don't think it is.
Smokey - It's not really banned, but the first aiders discourage it and would prefer people ask for FA advice on the forums
caffeine_queen: when people panic, they really cannot be arsed with posting on FA and waiting for a reply while there are active people in chat
Duffer44 harley could you add the rules so when you click enter chat and they come up before you enter?
Harley: I dont see it actually having an impact on behaviour, it would just mean for a lot of annoyance as people closed the box as quickly as they possibly could
Duffer44 harley in chat when a fight breaks out is there anyway of getting the mods so they can put the people on ignore as when your in a fight and you get told to put them on ignore no one listens?
Harley they can freeze that member so they cant talk though
Meets
TheSuffererComplex: I just got another idea I'd like to share. You know how on Facebook you can say that you are attending events and things like that, and they remind you a few days in advance. Can't we do that and have reminders by PM or something? Just a thought
Triggering Screen names Liquid: how about not allowing people making up names with reference to cutting?
Harley: Yeah, changes are being planned to disallow various triggering name
Supporters and Live Help
TheSuffererComplex: Live Support does not seem to be on very often
Harley: well aware, trust me"!
Aphelion: Once more supporters join the team, that should improve though, right?
Harley: yeah, the plan is to have LH on 10 hours average a day - we are a long way off that now but again you will start seeing dramatic changes soon enough
bitter_angel: Harley, is there anything about FA going back on LH?
Harley: not until we could man it enough to make it workable, when we can, I would love it as it is sorely needed
First Aid advice and Chat
There was a large discussion about first aid advisers and how people in chat are told to PM them rather than ask in chat. The conversation didn’t have any clear questions which is why I’m typing this instead. But what I got from it all was that members feel that they are able to give out some first aid advise in chat. I.e. if someone has ODed, tell them to go to hospital, rather than getting them to PM a FAA.
cortney: yea what if you are in chat and they ask you for the help what you to do then? advise them to someone else who can?
Zeitgeist: We have few first aid people. We have a lot of cha regulars. A forum is much slower than chat is - so THAT kind of basic advice, in my opinion, is quite possible in here.
Smokey: Exactly Zeit, our biggest concern is tip sharing here; not regulating advice
bitter_angel: basic advise is fine. thats what we have been saying. its further advice where you start asking for more details that shouldnt be allowed
bitter_angel: as far as members giving FA advice out is concerned i would say basic advice fine. any advice where you need to start asking for more detail, should be left to the advisors
Smokey: Harls, can you clarify if the RYL rules about tip sharing also apply in PM? If someone was to come into chat and say "i've ODd" and member John Doe says "ok PM me with what you took and I'll help you" is that or isn't it against the main RYL rules? I think we are all confused here
Harley: Normal RYL rules do apply to PM's, but it is common knowledge that we do not monitor them. They are therefore both have freedom and dangers that come with them that are unavoidable
Smokey: So, should the chat mods be discouraging people from asking for possible tip sharing information (i.e. OD amounts) via pm?
“I am currently…”
cortney: hey harley is there any way we could add emotion to the "i am currently" section that you can change on the main ryl
Harley: yeah that would be good, hard which is why it hasnt already been done but I will look at it further
Aphelion: I think it would be nice if the member could just type out manually how they feel.
Harley: We had that during testing, but it looked like everyone was just going to set it to 'suicidal' and stuff. The idea at the start was to have it quite basic, so you could clearly see if someone was in a state of needing help or not being able to help etc - but it kinda grew..
The Shop
Splendiferous_Me: What happened to the silicone bracelets?
Harley: quite simply, they were too expensive in the numbers we sold.
cortney: harley does or will "ryl" ever have shirts or make shirts for us to buy?
Harley: cortney: Yes, indeed there will be one up for auction soon!
cortney: what about besides auction
Harley: tshirts are tough because you need to order like 500 at a time, but I am working on it!
Harley: We are also launching an RYL member satisfaction survey soon :)
Main Site
Smokey: Harls, are there any plans to get articles up on the main site? Sorry if this has been asked already
Harley: lots, dont worry
ok sorry i was going to get round to that been at work all night thaks you to :)
sorry if the chats double in some places ihave 14 logs as i know saving over a certain ampunt you loose bits i tried to match it spot on but it sounds like i didnt sorry
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Picture board
Aphelion: Alright then, should people be banned from making negative comments about themselves then?
BeautyFiend: personally, i think the whole 'compliments thread' should be scrapped.
Harley: Alright then, should people be banned from making negative comments about themselves then? Is there a particular situation you have in mind? I would claim that the mods do everything they can to protect members in situations where the members are.. making things worse for themselves
fairytale dreamer: someone suggested banning comments when you post your own picture so you'd avoid any negative comments from the person.. but then it allows for honest positive comments from others/
Enigma.: I suggested that picture threads like that be just head/upper body shots?
BeautyFiend: if we're stopping people making negative comments then the whole compliments picture thread NEEDS to go. that's what it's all about. people say something negative in order to get a 'compliment' in return.
RhubarbDali: it is hard to ban all body shots as people will have random photos like holiday pics, family occasions... what about meets? it wouldnt be possible to ban body shots
Enigma.: Scrap the picture board and put general pictures in the General Chat forum?
fairytale dreamer: i don't think body shots should be banned. We see people of all shapes and sizes everyday, so what's different about it being online?
Heidi Tiger: but people want to keep their anonymity fro the general public chels
Harley: Body shots in the picture forum is a long and difficult disussion with many sides so if it's okay I am going to keep out of that for the moment and we can come back to it later
Community Team
Harley: The big one is that I am scrapping the Member Schemes, and replacing it with a new team called the Community Team
Enigma.: When does that come into action or start working?
Bleeding Angel: how is it different?
Heidi Tiger: what would the community team do?
Fallen Rain: How does one get involved?
Harley: The Community Team, or CT will be responsible for working on a huge shift of content onto the main site, primarily, but will also help out on tons of other things
Puppet Strings: Will all the CT have the power to edit the main site, or will just one of them?
Harley: Well no, the member schemes failed because not enough people in the team were able to use the admin panel and actually manage the content. The main difference here is that the CT's deliver ready to upload information to a smaller team who are dedicated to just putting it up (all Mods)
RhubarbDali: What would the community team exactly do?
Fallen Rain: Who will make up the CTs? Member scheme people, or will new people be able to come in? Or will people be asked by a mod or, volunteer themselves, or what?
Harley: The Community Team is hoped to be about 50 members strong, and will be easy to apply to - the idea is to get get members involved like they never have been before
Harley: Well, it will provide a scheme whereby members who want to help out can do so much more easily, this helps RYL and the members of the team's self confidence
Harley: Member schemes are a backend set of forums where members used to discuss improvement to the site. Due to it being technically quite hard, we had a lot of drop outs and it all fell a bit flat
Harley: I now have a great many plans for boosting the support available on the site. I dont want to discuss all those now, we would be here all night on just that - but details will be released very soon
Harley: The Community Team will be launching in the next few days, and there will be an application process, but basically anyone who wants to help can Puppet Strings: Who is going to run the CT? It's a big job.
Harley: there will then be various roles they can perform from gernating content for the site, to discussing ideas for new section, to a multitude of small jobs aimed at making everything better :)
Fallen Rain: Aye, will things like infractions or past screw ups have you out from the start?
Harley: This is totally new. With it will also come changes to the Forum and Community Questions forum. It will be split into two forums, a technical / site help forum for when things have broken, and another forum, so far been called Community Matters, which is there for every member to be able to get involved with evolving RYL and much more easily rasiing issues and 'complaints' with the site
Harley: Nope, we wont be judging infractions unless they were particularly bad - more interested in the time they have spent on the site, we are even considering a little 'how well ou know RYL' test
Distractions
waterfall_of_tears: would a chat room where you can go to disract or be distracted be hard to do, like so it splits and you can choose to distract or be distracted and just chat till your ok shut me up if im being to technical
Harley: We have grand plans for the Distraactions section - literally to increase it in size ten fold
Trigger warnings
Enigma.: There was discussion about the trigger warnings in the SD forum - are they going to be changed?
Harley: Enigma.: Yes, the Mods are looking into this at the moment
griddlebone: The trigger warnings are a very difficult thing to decide on
fairytale dreamer: Maybe if the forum discriptions were clearer and in bold, then the excessive labling wouldn't be such a problem?
Puppet Strings: We can't stop people putting labels on, and people do do it "just in case". It's very time consuming to have to go and take them off, or ask people to do so.
Harley: Puppet Strings: Well, alot of members still overlook the power of reporting threads. the mods are now super fast and organised at doing reports, we have great systems behind the scenes for it - so members asking for things like title spelling mistake changes, whether it needs a label etc are really a very good ay way helping out
Harley: I am also looking into having switches so members can turn labelsoff if they so which, or certain labels
Fallen Rain: Aye, trigger warnings would have a lot more weight beneath them if there was less excsessive, like if there was a SU warning in the ED forum you're much more liekly to take in the weight of it before clicking it than in the SD forum... I think at least.
Harley: The 'RYL needs to be safe' versus the 'RYL is too damn cotton wooly' argument will also rage - I'm not sure we will ever satisfy both
Last x
Bleeding Angel: there was something mentioned beofore about putting last self harm/suicide/ esct dates in your signatures, i dont know what happend with that.
Harley: I am personally sceptical of hiding too much, and getting too cotton wooly... I did make Ruin remember :P
Chat
PropheticStar: i think, given alot of trouble we have had with fights that have broken out over inproper use of that chat rooms, i was thinking about cutting the number of rooms down to four
PropheticStar: and have them more clearly labeled *General* *Serous General* *General Serious* & (Serious*
Harley: Yeah I think four would be a good balance, we plan / hope on bringing more event chats too
Aphelion: Okay but what happens in those mixed rooms if someone asks for support?
Crazy Rabbit Lady: We used to only have three and often they were all busy. Sometimes having a small number of rooms is hard to deal with when you feel bad
PropheticStar: but that way, there are less rooms, so there aren't wasted rooms, and they will be more clearly labeled which will hopefully stop all the kerfuffled about "this is x type of room, so you cant say that in here"
Enigma.: General serious veers more into General chat?
PropheticStar: the idea is, in one room, general takes precedence over serious conversation because the room leans more towards chit chat then support, and visa versa for the other room
Harley: I can see regular nights of the week having an extra room open for some reason or anyone, and so four will be a good balance. Sadly we are waiting on James to fix our chat admin panel, and until that is done those things are still pending
AbandonedPixie: What about if you are in a room and somebody says something that triggers you and you just want to room hop but not be involved in a conversation, with 6 rooms you can move to an empty room, most of the time.
Fallen Rain: Would it be possible to have chatsupporter type people? I thik this was discussed on one of the threads too, a way of showing if you were happy to support?
fairytale dreamer: Is there any way of bringing in a new feature so that in the participants list it can say if you'd like to receive support, give support, or neither?
PropheticStar: well, say in the more general of the mixed rooms, you can ask for support,, but if people dont support, you cant get upset, and if you ask for support in the more serious mixed room, then people should support you
Harley: Fallen Rain: Well, I like the idea of having chat sessions with special rooms set up with plenty of supporters, and to encourage more supporters into the normal chat rooms at times in between. I know we have already disucssed making them appear a different colour too
Puppet Strings: A different colour in chat only, or both forums and chat?
Harley: The supporters have a really impressive system of how to help people going together, so they would be a good influence in chat
Enigma.: What happens if the supporters in the room don't feel up to supporting?
Supporters
Enigma.: What about people who want to support but aren't official Supporters yet?
PropheticStar: nothing should stop normal members from supporting if they want to
Fallen Rain: Aye, but what about having a general thing in chat to show if you're ok to give support, like mentioned on the threads, so anyone could show they are happy to support
Harley: Well, not too much as it's again going to be a CT thing. There will, when everything is 'complete' be vastly more scrutiny over threads in the forums, and it will be possible for CT members to help threads that need it, thereby ensuring that threads that have been answered and are done with fall naturally, while threads that obviously need more replies get more attention, without the need for loads of extra *bump* posts everywhere
klo_flo: Chat Supporter would not necessarily be too much different. Having them a different colour is being discussed - but typiceally they are unknown anyway. So they wouldn't have mod powers, but hang around support room... when the Supporter felt up to it and offer their ears and shoulders.
Harley: Some people want one on one private support - and I plan on LH being online ALOT more to provide a proper service for that. But there is also a lot of validity in group therapy, and a supporter in chat while everyone is discussg their problems would without doubt lead to more support and better advice. Not to say normal members dont have a lot to say, but supporters do have the place as well
Crazy Rabbit Lady: how many supporters will there be once the new ones are inplace?
Tinkerbelle: I think we shoul have a section for b9 to 11 year olds
Tinkerbelle: as a lot of children need support as well
fairytale dreamer: There aren;t that many 9-11 year olds on here, are there?
I hope this is correct, hard to tell with duplicated parts of the log.
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Articles
fairytale dreamer: When are all the articles being put up on the mainsite?
Harley: The Ct's will be helping with that, so around a week before the first ones, but with plans for masses to go up in the next year
Fallen Rain: could a temp forum be made for articles whilst the main site gets set up?
fairytale dreamer: I've seen plenty of people asking for articles which are around apparently, but normal members can't acess them
fairytale dreamer: Fair enough if they can't be put on the main site ruight now... but what about doing with Abigail suggested and putting them all in a temp. sub forum somewhere so they can be accessed by everyone?
welcome to RYL PM
Crazy Rabbit Lady: Have you got any further about whether to use my PM or a variant of it or not?
Puppet Strings: Trace, we're thinking of shortening your PM a little, and using a variant of it. :)
fairytale dreamer: Trace maybe just now you could make a different account for welcoming
Harley: We are about to make a new 'welcome to RYL pm'
Harley: indeed already have, just finalising it before it goes up
First Aid forum
Bleeding Angel: Im going to raise a question about the first aid bored.
Bleeding Angel: I personally think something really needs to change, ive notice alot recently that people post after overdosing, asking for help, yet refusing to do any of the suggested things, and it gets rather repetative saying the same things over and over and not being listend to. Its also unfair for other members to get worried and concerend over it. I really think people shouldnt post asking for overdose advice if they say in psot one they are not getting help. i dont know if its just me that thinks this?
Harley: As of next week I am also moving a completely new system in terms of availability. I will have everything routing instantly through a device in my pocket, meaning I can be in touch with all the heads of teams 24/7 and actually be able to do something about it.
Harley: Blleding - that is what I would class as plateauing, and I want to look very hard at ways of helping members through that (rather than just shunning them for doing it)
fairytale dreamer: With the first aid board thing... im beginning to question if we really need a first aid board. Because nothing much can be said about ODs other than "go to hospital"
Puppet Strings: Sometimes people say they don't want help when they actually do, somewhere inside hem.
fairytale dreamer: I think having First Aiders is a good idea, but an actual board, it gets repetative.. and people are beginning to use it instead of going to the doctors
Crazy Rabbit Lady: maybe it needs to only be visible to FAAs and the person who posted the thread? is that even possible?
Harley: I want to move as much of my time as possible to doing as much as possible, so having good heads of team running the 'services' like the mods teams is great - we already have that all sorted. When we have that for the membership interacting with me, and with content streaming effectively onto the site then the same amount of my time as it takes to get one article online will be able to get 10 or more, probably much more. So there will be dramatic change
fairytale dreamer: And with ODs, im guessing the first aiders can't say much anyway, because there is no way of knowing over the internet if someone is going to be fine or not.
Puppet Strings: I think FA stuff really needs to have an FAA involved, as they're often rather opinionated on their little part of RYL.
Harley: Well, we have discussed having the same feature on the FA forum as we have on the FandCQ forum - where it looks up similar threads before you post yours, that should raise the instant help thing, and save on repetion (it also sucks for the FA's to go over and over the same things)
Fallen Rain: I think people often post on the FA board wanting acknowledgement and reassurance more than anything else, and maybe something could be put in place to help that and some point, and then those who do seriously want to help themselves, could read the articles, and would read the articles.
Harley: Behind the scenes we have another type of forum, much the same but designed to have open and closed issues. Such a system could be used / modified to work well to tackle this in forums like FA
Harley: A lot of problems on RYL stem from the lack of information on the main site, it sounds like a small thing but it really isnt, as having members who want to help themselves better able to do so results in positive changes in nearly every aspect of the community
chat disconnecting
Sweetforyou123: Hmm, Is there anything that can be done about always getting disconnected from chat? I often have that problem.
Harley: Yeah and Im n sure what it is, hopefully getting the admin panel back will help
Eating Disorder Board
Crazy Rabbit Lady: not sure if its been mentioned because i missed the first half, but also the 'fat' situation when the wpord is used in the ED forum, and also the numbers issue too. Has the ED forum situation progressed?
Fallen Rain: And splitting the ED Board also?
Puppet Strings: The splitting of the ED board is a long running discussion.
fairytale dreamer: Can we have an update of the discussion? like.. what's likely to be happening? where the discussion is at?
Harley: Well, we are jumping the gun slightly. The ED thing is really, really important discussion, and not one that we can make behind the scenes. I had hoped to delay it until such time as there was a proper place for such a discussion
Picture Board.
feel_the_release: Who here is in favour of banning the "what are you wearing" picture thread... and who is in favour of keeping it?
Puppet Strings: Steph, it's likely to be removed, and an explanation as to why will be given
fairytale dreamer: I think if people are going to post pictures and have nothing positive to say then they shouldn't comment at all. Just leave is as "this is what i'm wearing" or "this is me" and then allow people to comment
Harley: I think it goes beyond just those - I dont think the attitude of too many 'look at me' threads is a good thing. RYL survived just fine when nobody knew what anyone else looked like, and I think lots of things, such as the 'popular known people getting more support' are made worse by this type of thread and the feelings behind them
Crazy Rabbit Lady: Maybe only mods, or certain people could start threads there so the meet pics and such could go up but not indivbidual threads?
Music reviews on main site
Duffer44 harley i saw you added my album review as theres not many on there and not that many who view how about tieing it to the e-zine?
Puppet Strings: We plan on doing that Duff
Puppet Strings: All eZine content related to parts of the site should, at siome point, be transfered
Meets
fairytale dreamer: I'm wondering if the mods have ever had any bad reports back from meets?
Harley: Overall, I can report that meets are significantly improved, with not nearly the backlash or issues I had expected.
Harley: It isnt perfect yet, but definately a positive step forward in terms of me not getting sued :)
Thankyou so much!
I had so much trouble reading through the first log [Because of all the people logging in and out of chat].
It must have took you ages, but thankyou for summarising it.
Really appreciate it =)
x
"I'll lean on you and you lean on me and we'll be okay"
Thanks guys, that makes it a lot easier to read though.
Well it breaks my heart to see you this way,
The beauty in life, where's it gone?
And somebody told me you were doing okay,
Somehow I guess they were wrong.
