I think it should be done in the same way as numbers of ODs. as in.
I can say I had two paracetomol for a headache.
I can't say I had xxxxx to kill myself.
I should be able to say I'm going out for a pint or two
I shouldn't be able to say I'm going to drink a leter of vodka with these pills.
Mari there haven't been many but there have been a few in a very short space of time comparing posts mentioning amounts to the ban on numbers for eds etc hence this post.
Reading these comments makes me feel a ban on alcohol isn't workable
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Yeah i asked because i thought that, i think even with the responses here and they fact most people who have posted so far are against it. I guess another reason is if its is banned its taking the bubble wrap too far because whats going to be next.
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I think we should allow alcohol numbers (unless, if it's breaking rules, obviously) but we shouldn't allow numbers when referring to drugs as it's on par with pills etc.
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Originally Posted by Tyrannicide
I think it should be done in the same way as numbers of ODs. as in.
I can say I had two paracetomol for a headache.
I can't say I had xxxxx to kill myself.
I should be able to say I'm going out for a pint or two
I shouldn't be able to say I'm going to drink a leter of vodka with these pills.
^ this.
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I really don't see why a ban on alcohol units and drugs is necessary. Pretty much for the same reasons Squirrelspit posted.
I get that the self harm/ED/OD limits are necessary to protect some members from being triggered. But at the end of the day self harm/ED/OD numbers and methods are not talked about that much in public, general spheres whereas alcohol and drugs are spoken about a lot more openly, even in television dramas and don't have the same competitive nature either. If someone on here says I used X to cut because it gives a better Y and I needed Z number of stitches compared to when I used A (I ran out of alphabet letters sorry), then that is totally different to saying 'I drank a bottle of vodka to get hammered'. Everyone's limits are different and to be honest drinking etc is, for better or worse, a part of general culture. You would not see in magazines or on television or even in discussions that 'self harmers or those with disordered eating have found that using X method causes more weight loss/more damage' and for that reason there is an added danger for sites like this because they can so easily become a hub for tip giving and encouraging. It is not tip sharing to say 'I drank X to get drunk' and I also don't think it is particularly triggering (speaking as a borderline alcoholic).
I don't see a problem in referring to having a drink in general threads/chat/passing comments. But I think in the drug and alcohol forum it shouldn't be about amount consumed, it should be about it's impact. So I don't think numbers are relevant there.
I have to agree drugs yes alcohol no. We are gonna end up bubble wrapping it to much I mean me saying I am drinking a Margirita after work is diffrent from me saying omg I a
Drinking a shot and a bunch of pills
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I always thought drugs were a no-no anyway, perhaps with the exception of talking about prescribed meds, ie. saying "I've been prescribed Xmg of Y drug". Although even if talking about illicit drugs, what is illegal in the UK may not be in some other places.
As for alcohol, what sort of numbers do we mean? Number of bottles? Number of units? Hardly anyone understands or uses units anyway.
I don't think having one rule of one board and another for elsewhere would really work on a practical level, so I think it should be all or nothing. So no 'it's okay to talk about it on GC (which is meant to be non-triggering), but you can't mention it on the Substance board' type rules.
^ *like* Then again same could be said for self harm and ED consequences. Sort of an ouch that's awful...but I also feel like a failure and should also be doing this to myself.
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Guess another reason is if its is banned its taking the bubble wrap too far because whats going to be next.
^^^ Basically this.
I could maybe nearly understand it if this was a forum to help people with alcohol or drug problems as then yes it might be triggering to a number of people. But then i'm still not sure, as i've never found either triggering and both have been an issue at some point. Somehow it's not the same. i fail with words at the moment so that is all.
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well in the SA section, you're talking about abusing the substance, rather than just using it... so amounts are more 'triggering' there.
That's an incredibly blurry line there. It raises questions how how much of a substance qualifies as abuse (something already mentioned that the quantity will differ per person), or when is it abuse, etc.
Some people have been known to drunkenly post, which technically since they will no doubt have binged on alcohol (perhaps well over the weekly, never mind daily, limits for themselves) that could be classed as abuse and could also be seen as triggering by some.
I agree that it would be nice if people focussed on the feelings and thoughts behind the actions, and that goes for across the forums, but not everyone does.
Alcohol, cigarettes etc don't bother me. (if its legal basically)
But the illegal stuff can hit me hard sometimes. We have a ban on tools for self-harm and drugs/the amount of drugs are, for many, just another tool if that makes sense?
I don't really care to be honest. But what i will say is if this was to happen i don't think it would make much difference, also if its banned then other things will want to be banned to. There is only so much you can ban. Otherwise you might as well ban everything.
so basically, i think its context relevant, and as alcohol is legal, i think its taking it a bit far.
Self harm is also legal though, but we ban numbers for that...
I also wonder if the post reports were made because the people thought the posts were inappropriate or simply because they thought it was against the rules. Like, I PR stuff about numbers with EDs all the time, but that's not indicative of me thinking numbers shouldn't be allowed, it's just because I know it's against the rules and I want to help uphold the rules. So an increase in post reports does not necessarily imply that people think we should start banning numbers with drugs/alcohol, just that they thought that was the rule already and were trying to uphold it.
Additionally, I don't see a problem with a rule being subjective. I have a warning on my profile for joking in general chat that I needed to lose ALL the weight. Now, an anorexic thinking she needs to lose weight is hardly groundbreaking stuff and would be allowed in the ED board, but it was a judgement based on context and it was deemed by the mods to be 'borderline pro' and was removed. I don't see why the same couldn't be applied to alcohol, so the mods make an instinctive decision on whether they think the number is being used in a glamourising or provocative way.
