The movement advocates refraining from procreation... Sounds good to me.
Wow. That website is thoroughly depressing. I prefer compulsory sterilisation for people with no decent genes to pass on... and some 'games' to get rid of the ones who already grace the earth
Really? Apologies if it upset anyone. I didn't find it upsetting/suicidal feelings inducing at all. In fact, I found it quite refreshing - it certainly doesn't want people to hurt themselves; it's just after no procreating. I think compulsory sterilisation is much more scary! I can delete it though, if that's better...
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It hasn't upset me lol, I just find it hard to relate to... My sterilisation idea is 95% joking, I know we cant really do it :-P
If people stopped having babies, I'd be out of a job
But I wouldn't be adverse to a reduction in baby-making. In fact, I thoroughly support it (If I can still have more babies though )
That vhemt thing is kind of how i feel anyway. I cant justify to myself adding any more children to the world, although its also partly coloured by more personal issues. Ive felt like this since i was about 10, though id like to adopt. To me that makes more sense,mthis kid is already here and colud do with a bit of help. Why make a ohther one?
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Eugenics has never worked in the past. I don't think it would ever work
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Is China's family planning policy still working though?
I have no clue where it's at now but it /was/ producing some results at first. I don't think China's specific plan should be modeled, rather that policy needs to be made to deal with overpopulation in all countries.
Rofl I forgot about that site. Pretty funny concept if you ask me. It might be too much, even for me, and that's saying something!
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Eugenics has never worked in the past. I don't think it would ever work
I guess in theory it works. Was it the Houyhnhnms ("whinims") of Gulliver's Travels who practiced Eugenics to make a perfect society? Pretty sure Swift was making satire, but I forget the details.
I don't know much about Eugenics, but it's probably fair to say it's never been popular because there's no way to make it nondiscriminatory and inhumane. Nazi Germany is the only real example I know of it, and that was clearly beyond fucked up. I'll have to go find my copy of Mein Kampf and Gulliver's Travels.
Speaking in inhumane, I'm trying to make a list of ways in which overpopulation can be tackled. No method that is inhumane would be considered, which makes for a short list. Pretty much the only thing is to decrease births.
Or, going back to Swift, we could eat homeless people and turn homeless children into gloves and other articles of clothing.
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I think the china policy is still working overall. It's not ideal by any means but my dad lives in Beijing and when we were looking for a flat for him in a reasonably pricey suburb the majority of the flats were for one child families so much so that the smaller rooms typically could only fit a single bed in and a lot of them were reasonably newly built.
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Speaking in inhumane, I'm trying to make a list of ways in which overpopulation can be tackled. No method that is inhumane would be considered, which makes for a short list. Pretty much the only thing is to decrease births.
Most countries in the Global North have a relatively low birth rate, with overall decreasing populations. It's quite a simplistic model, but as medical treatment improves and infant mortality rate decreases, over time the birth rate eventually starts to decrease, with the average life expectancy rising. It does mean that there is a smaller group of working-age population expected to look after the burgeoning elderly population, who aren't cheap to keep!
Lowering birth rate needs a truly global consensus, which is never going to happen. It's easy to say that we need to improve medical treatment, but who is going to finance that? Should we encourage populations to live in extreme and almost inhospitable environments that can lead to further land degradation and desertification (such as in Sub-Sarahan Africa)? If not, what do we do with these populations?
I totally agree. But no idea what to do about it. I know David attenborough and others encourage people to not have kids or to only have one, but realistically, we are animals, we are hardwired to want kids (obv some people don't but thats an exception I think).
Thats not necessary true, we are not hardwired with the idealisation of wanting having children, we are just lucky in the fact we can take medications and use things to stop us having children esp people that dont want them. But its the same with animals, many animals dont care for their babies nor want them, but obviously have no way to not have them.
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Personally I find it ridiculous that people put animals down when they are ill but make sick, dying, and/or terminally ill people suffer, sometimes for years, in pain, because it's illegal (in most countries) to euthanase. Surely it would save a lot of suffering and also help this over popluation problem. And take pressure off the tax payer to keep paying for them.
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Euthanasia would've been an excellent concept to use globally but unfortunately it is seen as stepping over boundaries religiously and morally to some, but I think it comes down to the sufferer of the specific illness to subject themselves to voluntary suicide.. if it was done in a humane way like I assume it is (injecting a lethal dosage) then why the hell not?
euthanasia is a many layered debate. But I think I support it in certain cases. If an animal we love is sick, in pain, has no chance of getting better and will only get worse before passing, we put that animal down because we love it and we don't want it to suffer.
Yet with a person in the same position we want them to hang on as long as possible. despite the pain and suffering. even though they won't get better.
One could almost say we love our animals more than our people.
But again, it is a multi layered argument.
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^ Some people purposely don't put their animals down even though they are in pain/are suffering because they want them to be around for as long as possible.
I think I would support euthanasia in certain cases. Rather simplistic, but I'd say it has to be a terminal illness, the person has to give reasonable notice (say, three months?) and undergo periodic counselling to ensure it is what they really want and then they have to be the ones to administer the drug/push some sort of button.
Either way though, euthanasia wouldn't really solve the crisis of over-population, since it's not really those who have access to such methods who are the ones increasing the global population.
^ Some people purposely don't put their animals down even though they are in pain/are suffering because they want them to be around for as long as possible.
But they could, without being arrested and slammed in prison for murder.
I think euthanasia should become widespread, easily accessible treatment. Yes put criteria on it, fine. But de-criminalise it for goodness' sake!
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