But isn't it against site rules to discuss infractions in a visable place in the forum? Or is this also another rule that needs tweaking?
It is against the rules. I think in this case it has brought up a wider issue of the rules and of clarity in what is really allowed. To me, common sense would say that telling someone to smoke weed is a bad idea, especially on a forum such as this, but some may not agree.
My understanding is that the rules cannot be edited. There are rules (the ED ones for starters) that haven't been updated in years.
If you would like to discuss a chat infraction or the behavior of a (chat) mod you can PM either myself or Liv (Griddlebone).
Then wear the gold hat, if that will move her;
If you can bounce high, bounce for her too,
Till she cry "Lover, gold-hatted, high-bouncing lover,
I must have you!"
Thomas Parke D’Invilliers
cessante ratione legis cessat ipsa lex and consuetudo pro lege servatur are the two laws of looking at the rules here.
Per the first phrase, there is a whole host of precedent that our decisions hang on. You have a list of the official rules and the supplementary rules found in E&MU, FA, ED, ect. On top of that there are a host of things that are traditionally infracted that are not outlawed directly; however, the rules have been flexed and molded by 6 or so years of interpretation. The vagueness of the wording encourages that practice.
Per the second phrase, there is a corps of the rules that are not enforced anymore. For one reason or another the rule has become outdated. We do not hand out points for discussing religion or politics. Until late 2011, handing out infractions for discussing mod actions, points, PMs, warnings, etc fell out of vouge if it was done respectfully or in passing. While I do not know of any anti-RYL sites to try to join, I have not seen evidence of people going out of there way to enforce this rule since 2007.
Instead of worrying about the rules consider a few things:
Would the Average RYLer be triggered by the post? §
How would this action be seen if you did it off the internet?
Does this action disparage a person, group of persons, or a community?
Does this action contribute to recovery oriented community?
Would the action be done by a vrais troll?
If a post or comment passes my 7 tests I doubt you will be infracted for it.
* The Average RYLer is an imaginary creature of the same line of thinking as a reasonable person in jurisprudence.
§ This applies more to the general boards and the general rooms of chat. In support spaces triggering material is expected and the right to post it should not be infringed or doubted based on this question. Another way of thinking about this is: "Would a post place the Average RYLer in an unreasonable emotional position?" Think of suicide notes, lying about your death and pictures of self harm.
Then wear the gold hat, if that will move her;
If you can bounce high, bounce for her too,
Till she cry "Lover, gold-hatted, high-bouncing lover,
I must have you!"
Thomas Parke D’Invilliers
Cutting **** ur brain up too.. ur not harming ur brain technically. But the feelings and toughts from cutting are ****ed.
I'm probably going to sound insensitive saying this but if weed affects you that much they are weak. You have to smoke like a semi load in 1 hit to kill you.
Cutting **** ur brain up too.. ur not harming ur brain technically. But the feelings and toughts from cutting are ****ed.
I'm probably going to sound insensitive saying this but if weed affects you that much they are weak. You have to smoke like a semi load in 1 hit to kill you.
Anything causes anxiety.
And any drug can be negative so ...
Of course self-harm has an effect on your brain. Or, perhaps better, your mind. Self-harm does not physically harm your brain (and its internal chemistry), and it is not permanent. The side-effects of smoking weed (paranoia, anxiety, lower cognitive ability, as well as the normal effects of smoking generally) are more damaging - to me at least - than those of self-harm. Of course both actions are maladapted coping mechanisms (if you are smoking as a way to cope with how you are feeling) and both need help.
Everyone is different, and how they react to something will be different. You cannot say someone is "weak" for having a bad reaction to a drug. Yes, any and all drugs can have negative side-effects, but at least with a legally prescribed drug the person can have medical attention and supervision whilst on it, and they are safe in the knowledge that the drug has come from a respectable (and regulated) source.
Cutting **** ur brain up too.. ur not harming ur brain technically. But the feelings and toughts from cutting are ****ed.
I'm probably going to sound insensitive saying this but if weed affects you that much they are weak. You have to smoke like a semi load in 1 hit to kill you.
Anything causes anxiety.
And any drug can be negative so ...
not being funny but is there any need to swear quite so much? i'm all for swearing but every post seems to be filled with swearing and no offense to you but it doesn't do your arguement any favours.
it is also well documented that those who smoke le weed are at a much greater risk of mental health problems as some people have already said, so telling someone who is already struggling to take up smoking weed is possibly not the way forward?
Yeah. The RYL rules will not change due to possibility of facing legal action as servers hosted in the UK. Among other moral reasons.
RYL has no power in the legalise canabis campaign, so it's pretty pointless.
As this thread has veered off track from the original point i am going to close it.
Any further points regarding the original point of the thread are welcome via pm. No need to pm me to tell me your opinions on weed vs prescription meds though.
