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Old 09-09-2007, 08:34 AM   #81
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It's odd, that they're now leaving Portugal, when they said they plan on sticking around until Madeleine is found recently. Ho hum, their reasoning may be genuine (they say it's for the twins sake), but it sure is going to give people even more of an excuse to believe that they killed her.

Ho hum. We'll see how it pans out.

I, too, would be very very very surprised if they found her alive.



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Old 09-09-2007, 08:58 AM   #82
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nope its not hindsight.

its common sense that you do not leave 3 young kids alone in an apartment, abroad with an unlocked door where you are out of sight.

come on how stupid and irresponsible do you have to be.

its not liek they had to run round to the neighbours or something, this was planned and thought out.

How many people leave their children unattended around the world every day without mishap? I routinely went and played in the woods with my friends after school from the age of five. Were my parents negligent? It's a massive leap of logic to get from leaving children alone to saying they left their children alone therefore they're somehow involved in her disappearance.

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They were offered free babysitting which they refused apparently...

Apparently being the operative word here. Having stuck various search terms into Google, the only links that corroborate this are to messageboards and blogs. Not one news site supports this statement.

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Old 09-09-2007, 09:55 AM   #83
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I've said this before and i'll say it again, My mum and dad left me in hotel rooms and caravans alone while they had dinner either downstairs in the hotel or in another caravan or something across the way. They weren't *that* far away from Maddie and 12 or so years back leaving a child alone wasn't a problem.. I guess nowadays its more of a risk but, when your outta england you don't think they're are 'sick' people around which is odd but when i'm abroad and stuff my parents would never worry about me walking though woods at midnight/going drinking etc whereas in england they would worry/wouldn't let me so I know it happens. So the neglect thing would probably be abit harsh.

On the news the other day it said, first Gerry checked on Madiline, then a dr friend of theres checked and then mum checked and maddie was gone. Where is this dr in the investigation? If the parents are innocent then surely the last person to see her alive and in bed needs talking too?

I do think its all very fishy though. I forgot about the fundraising that had been done and I'd hate to think they had done this for money but Its possible I suppose. Yesterdays Mirror said that Maddies blood had been found in the boot of the rental car that they hired. I didn't read it just saw the front page and although that would point the finger at the parents, the flaw is how would they keep Maddie hidden for 25 days?

Edit: well they left portagual 30mins ago (just said on my radio) on route to england.


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Old 09-09-2007, 10:17 AM   #84
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How many people leave their children unattended around the world every day without mishap? I routinely went and played in the woods with my friends after school from the age of five. Were my parents negligent? It's a massive leap of logic to get from leaving children alone to saying they left their children alone therefore they're somehow involved in her disappearance.
That's two different things though - you were slightly older and weren't in a strange country.

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Old 09-09-2007, 10:37 AM   #85
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That's two different things though - you were slightly older and weren't in a strange country.

I don't see that the country has anything to do with it. Is England intrinsically safer than Portugal in some way?

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Old 09-09-2007, 10:38 AM   #86
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I didn't mean that. What I was trying to say is that there's a difference to being in a strange country than there is being somewhere where you've been for pretty much of your life.

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Old 09-09-2007, 10:49 AM   #87
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The parents are on their way back to England.

Bah, even if they didn't do it (Which i think they did) They still deserve to get their other kids taken off them. Had it been a poorer family they certainly would have.



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Old 09-09-2007, 10:53 AM   #88
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It is very easy from a completely removed standpoint, with the benefit of hindsight, to say that they were negligent, irresponsible, not fit to be parents and to point the finger at them.

Maybe, just maybe, they had nothing to do with it whatsoever and they are genuinely parents who are trying to come to terms with one of their children being taken from them. Yes, we can all go on about them constantly being in the press, how it isn't normal not to show any emotion etc but what's normal? I can't honestly tell you how I'd react if one of my children (were I to have any) was taken away from me - maybe I'd be in tears, maybe I wouldn't, I just don't know and I don't think anyone on here can possibly comment on that unless they've been subjected to it themselves.
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I'm sure the McCanns aren't perfect parents. How many are? I'm sure that over the years they've done the best they can for their children. Now, it could, of course, transpire that they are in some way complicit in the disappearance of their daughter but it seems to me that at the moment there is some sort of witch hunt against them based purely on speculation, half truths, and downright lies & fabrications that stems from their constant media appearances since Madeline went missing. Much as it irritates me, and I've been a critic of their conduct regarding this in the past, is society so judgmental these days that we can't accept that it might just be the case that they are trying to get their child back?
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Old 09-09-2007, 10:57 AM   #89
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its dodgy as all hell...
anyways heres my speculation -
madeleine died by accident - by an accidental overdose of toxic substance,
probably alcohol or class A drugs.
this means family have to cover this up or they stand to lose their other 2 kids
their holiday freinds have made nothing but false statements from day1, ESPECIALLY about the man seen carrying away a small child (they also partook in the class A drugs) amd helped the family cover up the death (hid her body in a large scale freezer) and either kate mcann or a family freind hid the body...
theres a lot of money changing hands over this and no-one seems to be completely innocent,
i dont think this will ever be resolved
i agree. although i'm not so sure about the large scale freezer. i mean wasn't it the media that said there was road work going on just outside their rented room. it could've been so easy for kate and gerry to just throw her in and the police haven't even bothered to check. it's getting really stupid now. as many other people and me have said the parents just want the attention. it's getting old.




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Old 09-09-2007, 11:11 AM   #90
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Aye.
I get annoyed with those "family friends" and "sources" who come out with their "I KNOW they didn't do it, that's just not them!" and "Of course they didn't, they met the Pope!". Pipe down and let the police handle it.
They weren't there so I don't understand how they could say things like 'I know they didn't do it'.

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Old 09-09-2007, 01:20 PM   #91
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if you killed a child, much more you own child, would you really hang around and see what happens, even more so publicising the disappearance?
If you have Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy thats exactly what you'd do. I dont know though, its all very strange.

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Old 09-09-2007, 02:12 PM   #92
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i agree. although i'm not so sure about the large scale freezer. i mean wasn't it the media that said there was road work going on just outside their rented room. it could've been so easy for kate and gerry to just throw her in and the police haven't even bothered to check. it's getting really stupid now. as many other people and me have said the parents just want the attention. it's getting old.
The thing is it is the blood in the hire car that is causing the controversy - sure she could be under the road but then where has the blood come from.

My parents also left me when I was younger and I can't say that I wouldn't leave my children whilst abroad.

Someone also said about foreign countries and how can they be as safe etc. I am an expatriate living in the middle east, the personal safety precautions I take here are far less then I would take in England and yes I know I am not a 4 year old girl. Yet I would be far more relaxed over my children in Dubai then in England and having spoken to friends who live/are portugese they are shocked at the abduction because it 'doesn't happen there'

What is done is done whether the parents should face prosecution or not shouldn't come into it. If they killed Maddy then surely neglect is neither here nor there and if they havent killed Maddy then surely the loss of there daughter is enough of a punishment.




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Old 09-09-2007, 02:30 PM   #93
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I don't believe the parents did it whatsoever,but i do think the whole thing is getting a bit dodgy.
I just pray she's still alive,somewhere.
She'll turn up one day,when you least expect it =]



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Old 09-09-2007, 02:34 PM   #94
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Many people use rental cars. Maybe they should question the people that had the rental car before the parents got it. Could just be a very odd coincidence and they managed to rent the same vehicle as whoever had taken the child, if that is the case...

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Old 09-09-2007, 02:39 PM   #95
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Maybe...Just maybe...The person who had the hire car before them took her? Okay it would be the biggest coincidence ever...But maybe?



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Old 09-09-2007, 02:40 PM   #96
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^^ Wooow!! Day Tripper we must have wrote that at the same time! Now THATS a coincidence!



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Old 09-09-2007, 02:46 PM   #97
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It all looks a bit dodgy to me. The thing I can't understand is why they would do it - Aimee you said about Munchausen Syndrome but surely if either/both of them had that then a) it would affect their other children as well, and b) it would be something that could be detected by some kind of psychological testing? I don't know much about Munchausen Syndrome but surely as with other mental diseases it should be able to be diagnosed?

Do the police genuinely believe that she is guilty? The upgrading of her status from witness to 'arguida' or suspect mainly means in physical terms that they are able to ask her questions whilst she has a lawyer there, and she has the right to remain silent - whereas as a witness she is required to answer all questions.

It all sounds really dodgy though what with their conflicting statements and such.

Oh, and Cam, I think the blood was analysed by a forensics lab back in England and found to be Maddie's, although saying that how would they know it was Maddie's blood if they'd never had a blood sample from her before she went missing?




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^^ Wooow!! Day Tripper we must have wrote that at the same time! Now THATS a coincidence!
Haha. I was thinking that no one was going to agree with me on it but someone was thinking the same at the same time. :)

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Old 09-09-2007, 03:28 PM   #99
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Em if it is Munchausen, which its probably not, its often very hard to pick up, partly because no one wants to believe a parent is capable of that. I dont know though, the whole thing is getting weirder and weirder.

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Oh, and Cam, I think the blood was analysed by a forensics lab back in England and found to be Maddie's, although saying that how would they know it was Maddie's blood if they'd never had a blood sample from her before she went missing?
Can hair and blood samples yield the same DNA? I don't know if that made sense. Like, if they took the blood sample from the vehicle and a sample of her hair from bedding or clothing or something, could they compare those two and obtain a solid result, or a result at all?

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