Then wear the gold hat, if that will move her;
If you can bounce high, bounce for her too,
Till she cry "Lover, gold-hatted, high-bouncing lover,
I must have you!"
Thomas Parke D’Invilliers
Then wear the gold hat, if that will move her;
If you can bounce high, bounce for her too,
Till she cry "Lover, gold-hatted, high-bouncing lover,
I must have you!"
Thomas Parke D’Invilliers
And the senate and the president blocking what the house wants to do
Then wear the gold hat, if that will move her;
If you can bounce high, bounce for her too,
Till she cry "Lover, gold-hatted, high-bouncing lover,
I must have you!"
Thomas Parke D’Invilliers
The proportion of people favoring the Republicans (and conservatives) over Democrats (and liberals) was at historical proportions. The reason was NOT because people are in love with Republicans but because Democrats/Obama have scared them to death. The Democrat party has become a socialist/ Marxist party with too many ties to foreign elements that are anti-American (like George Soros). People know Obama is a Marxist, anti-American despite his facade. His goose is cooked. Which just means he will be even more radical and divisive. The smart people saw this coming.
It's quite ironic really, Jack; if you look at pretty much any other country, the democrats would still be considered safely right-wing - and yet in the US people are scared because they perceive (perceive being the operative word there) them to be a "socialist threat". There's a huge amount of power in words, and the US - seeming to like having clear-cut enemies (such as Socialism! Or Communism! or Terror!) - it seems to be far more true. Granted, I'm going on discussions I've had and media, so I really couldn't say if it's reflective of a world view or just the people that I've spoken to.
I think the corker of the election comments was:
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Boehner
I believe the healthcare bill will kill jobs, ruin the best healthcare system in the world and bankrupt our country
It just shows the complete blind ignorance to the problems that so many thousands of people in the US face, that anybody in politics, regardless of political alignment, could view the US healthcare system as the best in the world. You only need to look at the rates of bankruptcy as a result of the current system and the effect that that has on preventative care to see some of it's major failings. Plus the $ per head is significantly more than any other country. I'm not saying that this reform was necessarily the way to go forward, but some healthcare reform is most definitely needed there.
The "right wing media" is just an excuse. Most people get their news from TV. From 6 -7 PM the three major networks (ABC, NBC< CBS) get 30 million views - Fox News gets 2.5 million.
Yes health-care needed reforming but the major problem with rising costs was politicians making more and more coverage mandatory. A young girl once died (playing high school sports) from a rare heart condition. The girls parents made it a cause to have all school athletes in their state given expensive heart tests prior to joining teams. Politicians can't resist things like that.
The government also kept competition away and nobody can shop for insurance from state to state. I could buy health insurance in Texas for 75 quid a month while in New York I have to pay 300 (its higher because there are more people using more services).
Of course the legal situation was never addressed either. Trial lawyers are Obama's #1 money source so tort reform is never an option when it should be.
The new health-care bill does nothing to fix the problems that created higher costs and it set the government on a financial path the non-partisan CBO (Congressional Budget Office) called unsustainable. The people who benefit from new health-care are unions who A) won't have to pay insurance costs anymore - and B) will gain thousands of new jobs and members. Health-care was more a gift to the unions than anything else. The bill absolutely killed the job market at the worst time. A drowning man was thrown a bag of bricks.
As for US politics being scary I half agree. On one hand I don't find many people here who even understand politics that well - and its worse across the pond. In both places people think with slogans and sound bites.
Many problems demonstrate the "hurt and rescue" principle. A group of politicians create a huge problem (like with mortgage industry) and then they start to call for new "solutions" to the problem they created in the first place but the media ignores.
It was in this dysfunctional environment that Obama got elected. It wa easy to see that Obama was a radical who said he didn't even like the Constitution (which hardly anybody has read) because it didn't make government transfer wealth.
Then as soon as Obama takes offices he passes a trillion dollar "stimulus" bill that didn't stimulate anything except unions and other elements of Obama's base. 350 billion was just wealth transfers to social programs.
When people saw this they were shocked but it was easy to see coming if anyone had paid attention. People were angry with Bush spending but Obama made him look Scrooge. The debt Obama created with the other Dems (who had all the power) was/is phenomenal.
Now they are intentionally creating inflation (printing money to pay off debt) and cheapening the dollar and this is very dangerous. The US and most of Europe are bankrupt and they have been playing games to stay afloat but that can't go on. The unions in California alone have 500 billion in pension liabilities they don't know how to pay (eight times higher than what people thought it was).
It's reported Margaret Thatcher once said that "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - this is where we are now and its an ugly situation that will have no easy fix. Time to pay the piper.
Of course foreign diplomacy/national security is also a disaster but thats another story
Below is a graph of what Obama/Dems did to the deficit compared to Bush and others. In 2008 people were so angry about spending and things like immigration that experts were predicting Democrats would hold power for the next 40 years. Now 2 years latter they've been wiped out in historic proportions. More Republicans control state legislatures (20 went Republican last week) than any time since the 1920's. This was mostly based on fear. The next two years don't look to be good either. Obama drove the Democratic party over a cliff. Americans didn't vote to change structually and become socialist-ish but that's what a renegade party beholden to unions and people like George Soros did (he was able to take over Democratic funding after McCain–Feingold campaign finance act). Most media in UK, Europe etc don't really accurately render the intensity of the situation here. A lot of people realize that politicians saying they would fix problems intentionally created worse ones - at the worst time. The major media covered for them but that doesn't work anymore.
It wa easy to see that Obama was a radical who said he didn't even like the Constitution (which hardly anybody has read) because it didn't make government transfer wealth.
you have oviously never met a member of the ratical left jack
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Now they are intentionally creating inflation (printing money to pay off debt) and cheapening the dollar and this is very dangerous. The US and most of Europe are bankrupt and they have been playing games to stay afloat but that can't go on. The unions in California alone have 500 billion in pension liabilities they don't know how to pay (eight times higher than what people thought it was).
there is negitve inflation atm. The dollar's horid price is because people are less willing to use it at the curancy of stablility
Then wear the gold hat, if that will move her;
If you can bounce high, bounce for her too,
Till she cry "Lover, gold-hatted, high-bouncing lover,
I must have you!"
Thomas Parke D’Invilliers
The Democrat party has become a socialist/ Marxist party ..... People know Obama is a Marxist, anti-American despite his facade. His goose is cooked. Which just means he will be even more radical and divisive. The smart people saw this coming.
Please tell me you are joking.
Marxist, no he is not. Not that original untainted Marxist philosophy was terrible anyway, but that's beside the point.
Anti-American. What is 'anti-American'? Sending Americans to die for an illegal war perhaps? Repressing gay American people's right to marriage? But someone trying to ensure that everyone has healthcare in a land that declares 'all men are created equal', God forbid?
'Never forget what you are. The rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you.'
['There is only one thing we say to death. Not today'.']
'We are each our own devil, and we make this world our hell.’ – Oscar Wilde
‘It’s hard to dance with the devil on your back.’ Sydney Carter
^Love it, haha. Right down to the comment about untainted Marxism.
I'm too uninformed to argue on this issue. My entire family votes democrat, so I get the left-wing side of every political debate. Obama is charged with fixing a failing system (US government). Of course the changes he tries to push through are radical.
Last edited by Asura : 10-11-2010 at 09:38 PM.
Nous avons abrité tous les rêves du monde,
Et c'est dans le soleil que nous avons grandi.
Marxist, no he is not. Not that original untainted Marxist philosophy was terrible anyway, but that's beside the point.
Anti-American. What is 'anti-American'? Sending Americans to die for an illegal war perhaps? Repressing gay American people's right to marriage? But someone trying to ensure that everyone has healthcare in a land that declares 'all men are created equal', God forbid?
THIS.
I won't get into my views much more as I get really angry, but I will say I like Obama, and dislike the republicans with a passion.
I love Obama, and I love some of the republican views.
Lol, this is why I don't vote. Because I don't like *anything* in it's entirety... and why I was very glad we got a coalition. I wish I could take certain policies from each party and wizz them together to form a party.
you have oviously never met a member of the ratical left jack
there is negitve inflation atm. The dollar's horid price is because people are less willing to use it at the curancy of stablility
People are less willing to use dollar because its intentionally being devalued. From last year:
"Has America's Federal Reserve become the single greatest obstacle to global economic recovery? Central bankers around the world are increasingly asking this question as the American greenback continues its Fed-inspired decline and damages the export-driven growth of countries from Latin America and Asia to Europe"
Now the dollar will fall even more with the QE (quantitative easing)
"BANGKOK (MarketWatch) — On Nov. 3, the Fed announced it will create 600 billion new dollars over the next eight months and use the money to buy U.S. government bonds. The media has dubbed this latest round of easing “Quantitative Easing 2,” but it is really the third such massive round of money creation, and this time, it may prove especially dangerous for the world economy."
Marxist, no he is not. Not that original untainted Marxist philosophy was terrible anyway, but that's beside the point.
Anti-American. What is 'anti-American'? Sending Americans to die for an illegal war perhaps? Repressing gay American people's right to marriage? But someone trying to ensure that everyone has healthcare in a land that declares 'all men are created equal', God forbid?
No Obama is not a classical Marxist. That actually went out of style a long time ago. Marxism was "re-theorized" by Antonio Gramsci (Italian communist who died in the 1930's) and the Frankfurt School (began in Germany but moved to Columbia university in NY when Nazis took over). Neo-Marxism seeks to create a new proletariat using fringe groups within a society to militate against the core of society and its values. Black liberation neo-Marxists such as Obama's minister like Mao over Marx because they find Marx to white and European and prefer developing world, non-European Marxists.
"Anti-American" in Obama's case means subverting the economy on purpose - and collapsing defenses on purpose . In a terrible recession (created by the left giving out mortgages to people who couldn't afford them ) Obama declared war on business and the private sector. He defamed bankers, insurance companies, manufacturers etc. and sent a chill through markets. He robbed creditors of their legal due in car maker bankruptcies and gave the money to the unions that are his voting block.
He also wrecked peoples health-care (the reason independents and other Democrats abandoned him). Obama ran as a moderate who wouldn't raise taxes and he became the exact opposite. He also threw Israel down the well despite the support he promised during campaign. He also unilaterally disarmed the US with treaties were only the US makes concessions and he refunded missile defense shields at home and in Eastern Europe. He has ignored Iran and its pursuit of the bomb and their promise to use it. We are on track for a major war in Mid East and Obama will have helped that along quite substantially. He's been quite a disaster all around.
Not sure what gay marriage has to do with America specifically since most countries don't have that either - and some execute homosexuals.
Obama also continued the war in Afghanistan when people really don't want it anymore and that includes many conservatives. The people aren't into the "nation building thing" that the wars deviated into. Afghanistan was a smart war as it began but it should have ended a long time ago outside of occasional "policing" Al Qaeda camps etc. Obama doesn't even care about the wars and didn't even meet with the generals in his first six months in office. Obama's war (for him) is on America itself and its capitalist foundations.
