I really can't see how this thread would offend anyone. As an [ex] webmaster myself, I always took on board constructive critisicm, which is what I see this thread as. We all know Harley works hard, but people are bound to get frustrated with somethings that can't be fixed because nobody here has the power to do t.
I'm pretty sure it's a case of thinking bigger will make the smaller things much easier and therefore more able to reach out to people looking for help. But I think Harley is probably going to be the best person to answer that one.
Chloe
But, what are people told in recovery & in anything generally, to take small steps instead of taking on giant leap, surely that would apply to this as well,
complete the smaller things & the bigger things will happen seamlessly.
Chloe, no one is getting upset by this (except maybe you >.<). it's just one of many ongoing issues this community faces, and by discussing it in the thread it is, somewhat, being dealt with. as a community we should be able to question what's going on, and not keep things hush hush. this is an online community, this is a community discussion, therefore i would hate for this thread to be locked & the issue just to be discussed amongst the mods&others. it's not a personal attack on harley, merely just attempting to understand the situation & trying to heal it& make RYL it place it could be.
It's not bitching about Harley, though. It's raising very valid points about the absence of a webmaster, which is pretty important for any site the size of RYL. And if you cannot be around, make sure that there are enough people who can carry on doing the most of the roles you do. It's a very, very basic leadership. It's not as if we're sitting here saying 'oh, Harley is so ****, I can't believe he'd do that! What a bastard" - it's raising genuine issues about a genuine problem that's been going on for far too long.
I don't think that anybody suggested, by the way, that Harley should put the website above his own health; that's an absurd implication. What should have happened years ago, though, is that there's some sort of delegation of power, so that if Harley does become inactive the site can still continue ticking over as normal. It doesn't have to be a complete delegation of power, but just enough to be able to make basic changes to the site; to the rules, for example (I'm bringing that one back up because that's stupidly important and it's also completely reliant on Harley being around and active to change them) - plus that would also take a lot of the pressure from Harley. I think that would make the world of difference for the site, but it's not happening and it hasn't happened the last six billion times that it's been asked - but I think his accident pretty much exemplifies why delegation of power is so damn important.
It's just the same problems that have been arising for years.
How? How can these be brought up in any other way that hasn't already been addressed - I know that there've been PMs sent, threads made (in private and in public) emails sent, I think even somebody's mentioned this face to face, for the last quite a few years, and it hasn't been addressed yet.
And I don't see how it's a bad thing that Harley being used to a recurring complaint that's a genuine issue for a number of members and teams on the site. If anything, it shows poor leadership for these problems having not been addressed yet.
I don't expect Harley to be super-human. I don't expect him to put this site before anything else, I don't expect him to work day and night for this or even all day for this, I don't even expect him to be a leader - but I do think that basic issues need to be addressed, and if Harley can't do them there should be some sort of flowchart of power so they actually do get done. Simple things like that would also address how much time H actually needs to put into the site, and would allow him to have a life too.
Essentially, what Chels said in her first post.
Rather than saying what i want to say, as it will be quite long i found this, which covers everything i was going to say.
Chloe, no one is getting upset by this (except maybe you >.<)
That's not really true when you looked at all the posts. In fact my mine have been less direct than some others, I've just replied more. Harley or any Webmaster my underlying feeling would be the same.
I also think it's a little off track now, which is why I've stopped replying in such depth.
Chloe
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We don't get given patience but the opportunity to be patient.
Courage isn't handed to us, but we are given opportunities to be courageous.
All in all, yes we do need V4 but it is not really a top priority. RYL is functioning as it is and yes it would be useful to have a few things sorted out that have been discussed between the community, mods and the community team not all these are actions that need to be carried out straight away. I understand some peoples frustrations that yes it has been a long time since the prospect of V4 was mentioned but RYL has undergone so many changes in the past to iron out creases along the way, this is indeed the next step but we will have to wait. Their are no significant impairments that I can think of at the minute as everything seems to be managed fairly well with what we have got and technical jibjab is usually sorted quite quickly by James. It's just a waiting game at the moment and it will all be here in good time I suppose.
Rather than saying what i want to say, as it will be quite long i found this, which covers everything i was going to say.
