Yeah I gotta agree with sentencing being stupid. Stuff like fraud and drug use should be community service and save prisons for the real criminals.
But then that is a pet hate of mine, I also think that anyone causing death by dangerous/careless driving or driving under the influence should get a driving ban for life not just a few months/years. (off topic sorry)
I think the british justice system is pretty ****ed to be honest.
When you are 10, you know what's right and wrong. And if they take someones life I think they should live the consequences of that for the rest of their lives.
i agree, i understand they were kids but are you telling me when you were 10 you would have tortured someone else to death and not realised it was wrong. When i was 10 i stole penny sweets from a corner shop but got so guilty i told my mum and she made me go back and apologise. that was my biggest sin!
im in debt and possibly getting evicted so i guess to get given a fresh slate all i have to do is kill someone. I would get put in prison, yes but i would have 3 square meals a day plus snacks, tv. internet, entertainment and wouldnt have to pay a penny for years. i would get a new identity, clear credit rating a house at the end of it! Now does that seem fair!!!!
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Not all convicted murderers get all this given to them. Blame the media rather than the prison system for making it impossible for these people to come out of prison and get back in to the community without having a hate campaign following them around.
Blame the media rather than the prison system for making it impossible for these people to come out of prison and get back in to the community without having a hate campaign following them around.
I personally feel EXTREMELY strongly about this issue, so I apologise if I start ranting in this!!
As an auntie with 4 nephews (all between 2 and 4 years of age) I am deeply sickened byt this story. I was only 2 myself when this story emerged in the papers and I actually REMEMBER, yes, REMEMBER, how scared I felt and how sad and actually angry I was at the time I heard it on the news. I remember exactly where I was, what I was doing. What these "children" did to James Bulger was one of the most sick, twisted, inhuman and disgusted things I have ever heard of. These children knew exactly what they were doing, I was 10yrs old not long ago and I know plenty of 10yr olds, they are much more aware of their own, and other peoples, actions than people think. I am not saying these children were born evil, I believe that that is an impossibility, all children are born with an equal chance to be good or bad (leaving out any mental health problems which can increase the likelihood of negative behaviour, whether purposely or accidently). But these two children had definitely turned evil by the time they committed this crime. No person with any good in them could EVER do this to a 2yr old. They abducted, tortured and brutally murdered an innocent child. They lied when they were confronted, and then continued to show a distinct lack of respect for the law while swwearing in the courtroom. The legal system in this country appauls me. These murderers should have been in prison for life, children or nay. But they got what, about 10yrs it must have been for them have been out of jail now for some time? It's absolutely ludicrous. If they are not in prison then their identities should be available and they should face the public's disgust and hatred. it's all that they deserve. They should NOT be given another chance. I can forgive an awful lot of things, but taking the life of a child is NOT, under any circumstances, one of them.
I'm sorry if this offended anyone but imagine if it had been YOUR child, YOUR niece or nephew, YOUR little brother or sister. Could you accept the fact that you were living in the same society as the murderers without any knowledge of their whereabouts, identities etc? I know I couldn't.
i agree, i understand they were kids but are you telling me when you were 10 you would have tortured someone else to death and not realised it was wrong. When i was 10 i stole penny sweets from a corner shop but got so guilty i told my mum and she made me go back and apologise. that was my biggest sin!
im in debt and possibly getting evicted so i guess to get given a fresh slate all i have to do is kill someone. I would get put in prison, yes but i would have 3 square meals a day plus snacks, tv. internet, entertainment and wouldnt have to pay a penny for years. i would get a new identity, clear credit rating a house at the end of it! Now does that seem fair!!!!
If we were to allow these people to fall subject to vigilantism then I don't think that we would be much better than them.
Rules are there for a reason and we have to observe basic human rights regardless of the person or crime. Would you advocate vigilante justice in all cases?
Vigilantism has it's place in this world. It is sometimes necessary when the law cannot gain justice, which is sadly common.
And also, human rights should not be recognised when the huuman rights of another are so severely compromised. In this case, the human Right To Life WAS severely compromised.
Vigilantism has it's place in this world. It is sometimes necessary when the law cannot gain justice, which is sadly common.
And also, human rights should not be recognised when the huuman rights of another are so severely compromised. In this case, the human Right To Life WAS severely compromised.
So you would have a prisoner (who may well have been wrongly convicted) be treated like scum for their duration in prison as well as upon their release? Ex-prisoners already struggle to overcome their difficulties when released, with many falling back in to the cycle of crime.
Whilst I feel that prisons should cut back on things like Sky TV and games consoles, there should at least be basic living standards and we should give these people access to things like education and skill sets.
I am completely against vigilantism, I see it as no different to any other type of crime.
And also, human rights should not be recognised when the huuman rights of another are so severely compromised. In this case, the human Right To Life WAS severely compromised.
I am completely against vigilantism, I see it as no different to any other type of crime.
I said that is "sometimes" necessary. I am not condoling it in ALL circumstances. But under circumstances such as this where there is no doubt as to who committed the crime, then yes, I think it is acceptable. The "law" did not do their job in this case, 16yrs for the LIFE of a child? That can't be right in anybody's book. It's job is supposed to bring justice to this God foresaken country but they can't seem to do that anymore. What would your opinion be if they had only gotten 2yrs for this crime? Or it had been decided that they HAD done it, without a doubt, but had escaped conviction due to their age?
I am completely against vigilantism, I see it as no different to any other type of crime.
Crime is crime. As, luckilly, our country doesnt believe in capital punishment, once the prisoner has done their time, they should be allowed a second chance at life. A chance to make a positive difference to society.
I have a 2 year old son, and i am deeply sickened and saddened by what these boys did, and i know wonderful 10 years olde who could never do this. But i believe i wouldnt feel any differently about these young men, I would do everything in my power to forgive and show them forgiveness.
Those men, deserve another chance at life and they deserve to live a safe life. But again i repeat, they should only be released when they are deemed safe to society.
I feel they should have been given longer prison sentences. I also feel the public should know why venables has been sent back to prison. Obviously he was not given proper rehabilitation if he is back inside already.
But at the end of the day, when someone is released from prison they have served their time and I believe the slate should be wiped clean. Not saying to forget the seriousness of what they have done, but its not our place as the public to carry out the justice we believe to be right.
Isn’t it funny how day by day nothing changes but when you look back, everything is different…
you once called your brain a hard drive, well say hello to the virus.
I said that is "sometimes" necessary. I am not condoling it in ALL circumstances. But under circumstances such as this where there is no doubt as to who committed the crime, then yes, I think it is acceptable. The "law" did not do their job in this case, 16yrs for the LIFE of a child? That can't be right in anybody's book. It's job is supposed to bring justice to this God foresaken country but they can't seem to do that anymore. What would your opinion be if they had only gotten 2yrs for this crime? Or it had been decided that they HAD done it, without a doubt, but had escaped conviction due to their age?
Different people's ideas of when it would be 'acceptable' will be different. That's why it is always wrong.
The law, as I understand it, did do its job in this case. Sixteen years is more than a lot of others get. What do you see as justice? They did their time, like other criminals do. The media have made it impossible for these people to be released with a chance of living a semi-normal life.
In my opinion these people don't DESERVE a normal life after taking away anothers. I see it as the same for all murderers, not just these two. If you take a life then you should spend the rest of YOUR life paying for that. I don't think they should just be kept in prison the entire time, it's a waste of space and money. They should all serve a set time (20-30yrs in my opinion) and then be tagged and used for good in the community (under strict supervision). I think you can only say that someone has "done their time" if they have done the time SUITABLE for the crime. If you are referring to the time that they are sentenced to they could have been sentenced to 2 DAYS imprisonment (I'm using an extreme example to get my point across) and they would have "served their time"? I don't think so. A life for a life, maybe it shouldn't be taken away in the same way but they SHOULD lose their rights, besides the basic ones obviously.
Also I don't think that anyone who was ever sick enough to do this to a child will EVER be mentally stable enough or safe enough to have in roaming free in the society and "not prove a threat". Somebody who is disturbed as badly as these kids must have been, will ALWAYS be disturbed.
this crime was not only horrific, it was also PLANNED. Concluding that these children knew exactly what they were doing, I odn't think there is any confusion over this fact.
I'm sure most murderers in the UK get somewhere between 7 and fifteen years, but that could be wrong. I would increase the time, but it's wrong to send someone to prison and then continually treat them like scum once released. Is it really fair to punish someone for what could have been something stupid and childish for the rest of their lives? I'm not talking just about the Bulger case, but all cases.
What about cases of self defence, or when someone has 'snapped'? They still take away someone's life but they won't be punished as harshly.
The problem with vigilantism is no one can decide wether it's fair or not. We have a justice system for a reason! To ensure that punishment for a crime is fair and proportional and we have trial by jury so members of a public are deciding wether someone is guilty or innocent in a controlled environment whilst examining all of the available evidence. Do you think vigilantes hear the case for the defence aswell?
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Also I don't think that anyone who was ever sick enough to do this to a child will EVER be mentally stable enough or safe enough to have in roaming free in the society and "not prove a threat". Somebody who is disturbed as badly as these kids must have been, will ALWAYS be disturbed.
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Would you like it if someone told you that because you were a self harmer you will always be a self harmer and are always going to be disturbed and always going to be a threat to yourself? Just what are you basing this judgement that they will always be disturbed on, are you a trained psychiatrist specialising in forensice? Have you studied the outcomes of other people with a similar crime in their past?
I think perhaps you are being very subjective rather than objective and you need to try and put your emotions aside and try and consider rationally wether it is actually true to know that someone can never move on from their past.
If he was given another identity and another chance to life then why have the media got access to information that he is back in prison?
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I find this whole thing very difficult. A very young child lost his life in the most horrific of ways at the hands of two young boys. Justice just doesn't exist in these sort of cases - no amount of punishment is going to remove the horrible images from the victim's mothers mind. No amount of rehabilitation is going to make it "ok" and it's not going to repair the lives of the parents of the criminal boys.
I don't think it's any of our business to know what Venebles did to get himself put back in jail. This should just be laid to rest. Let the Bulger family get on with their lives as best they can without this being dragged up over and over.
Lets not forget, those boys were 10 when they committed this crime. I imagine any amount of time in jail at that age would really mess you up - he could have very easily turned to drugs, theft to make some money or something along those lines. Also, I wonder what chance there is of institutionalization in this case? (I also wonder if that's the right word...)
Aside from that...In terms of protection, yes, I think he should be protected. No he shouldn't have everything handed to him by the Government, he should have to get out there and face life like every other ex-criminal.
Rehabilitation (I imagine) doesn't just end in prison. I would like to think/hope there are programs in place to help these people integrate into society and repay their debt to the community etc. I find it hard to imagine that anyone should just be kicked out the back door and left to the masses. I struggle to understand why anyone thinks it's right for this man to be tortured and taunted by anyone in the outside world....one crime does no deserve another, that would make us as bad as the criminals.
Bit waffly, not sure if I actually got my point across but yeah
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