I have BPD but I can see how some people want to be in hospital as apposed to actually need to be there. I know because I can recognise it in myself!
But I don't think it is exclusive to people with BPD. I think people with any mental disorder with a history of staying in psychiatric hospitals is going to get institutionalised to a certain extent and want to go back in when things get tough.
Isn’t it funny how day by day nothing changes but when you look back, everything is different…
you once called your brain a hard drive, well say hello to the virus.
Its only ever others who have said I should be in hospital... I have never been admitted though, and told I never will be.
I dont want to have anything to do with the mental health ppl though, I just want to get better, I hate having something 'wrong' with me... this is the only reason I stick with them for treatment.
And as for being able to control your mental health state... well u can only to a very small extent, what winds me up most about having these problems is I CANT control them, it bugs me so much having problems I cant sort out logically.
But sometimes I think I have needed to be in there, and they always refuse.
"I have a room for life at the home for the chronically groovy!" - Sgt Floyd Pepper
And that's the bottom line. BPD people *want* to be in hospital - other disorders have no choice. And as far as I'm concerned - that 'stereotype' fits in with every BPD person I've met and known. quote]
Hi, I'm Meg. I am a freshman in college with BPD who HATES being anywhere NEAR a hospital. When I was younger, my mother had to FORCE me to go to the hospital to get evaluated when I would cut myself what she considered deeply...usually when I had neglected to lock the door. You have now met a person who does not fit in with the 'stereotype'.
"To Die is Nothing; but It Is Terrible Not to Live." ~Victor Hugo
Personally ive only ever been dragged by the police under section to the hospital, and then pinned to the bed for days on end by security guards and police.from what i was told (i dont remember) i was fighting back when i was in ICU and had just died. I hate the places when im with it or dissociated. So i also dont fit your steryotype which is a load of Cr*p.
Yes lots of people with BPD are attention seekers and manipulative. BUT the thing you forget is that not everyone is! , and not everyone wants to be in hospital. So lets just stop with steryotyping everyone because everyone on RYL has ISSUES *generally* . So your no better than us, because im sure whatever M.i people have it has lables to. So i think you need to grow up. It is bullying to be judging people because of their illness.
Also.. if you SH then everyone on Ryl complains about being 'labled' because they SH , so if you dont like it , dont do it to other people.
Bottom line , WE ARE HUMANS not an illness you have no RIGHT to be judging people cause theyre different . and the people posting in this thread HARDLY have a right to talk , sort yourselfs out before you criticise other people.
Ramble over.
Sorry if i ofended anyone , it needed saying
Sorry if there is typos and bad spelling .
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It amuses me that the people defending BPD sufferers occasional actual need to be in hospital are those who suffer from it and the people who are stating BPD patients 'want to be in hospital' and have a choice in the matter have different diagnoses.
I wonder how people with PD's, especially BPD will ever stop being stigmatised if even other M/I sufferers can't fully understand the problems associated with BPD and the different types of treatment required in different circumstances.
Nope.
I have bipolar, yes, but before this I was diagnosed with BPD for 2 years. So again, don't stigmatise people with other disorders
And that's the bottom line. BPD people *want* to be in hospital - other disorders have no choice. And as far as I'm concerned - that 'stereotype' fits in with every BPD person I've met and known. quote]
Hi, I'm Meg. I am a freshman in college with BPD who HATES being anywhere NEAR a hospital. When I was younger, my mother had to FORCE me to go to the hospital to get evaluated when I would cut myself what she considered deeply...usually when I had neglected to lock the door. You have now met a person who does not fit in with the 'stereotype'.
Oh, AND you can't just selectively cut out parts of an argument just so you can pick the bits that made you feel the most hurt/whatever.
I notice you got rid of : "Noones saying you're NOT sad/upset/angry etc, they're just saying the treatment is wrong. Not every physical condition necessitates a stay in a general hospital, so why should every mental disorder?"
And why was that? Please don't say it was because that wouldn't let you feel all hurt and rejected, because I don't push my stereotypes THAT far. Or would me saying that BPD is a terrible illness, and appropriate treatment needs to be given not allow you to get all up on your high horse so you can complain about how misunderstood and rejected you are.....
It's almost laughable. When I said 'other disorders' I was talking abotu Schizophrenia, Alzheimers, organic disorders. And yes, I do think disorders involving emotion should be seperated from the former, and APPROPRIATE treatment given. Honestly, stop jumping up and down, and look at how stereotypical you are behaving yourself.
(oh, and FYI, this wasn't aimed at the person who I am quoting (apart from the cutting and pasting bits of my quote, it was more of a general thing....)
crikey. not everyone with BPD is the same. i'm in hospital at the moment, i didn't ask to be, and i didn't ask not to be. it was suggested to me and i said okay. i said okay because the nurses and the IHTT thought it would help me to feel better and they were worried about how scared i was. i didn't care either way.
i've wanted to be in hospital before. i haven't wanted to for quite a while. when i was admitted this time, i hated myself so much for falling that far, that i walked backwards back up the corridor until my back was against the door.
luckily the staff have been very understanding and say they want to support me and let me have some rest. not at one time has anyone mentioned that i have BPD (which i do). i am being treated because i am not well at the moment. people with BPD can become poorly and need treatment sometimes too.
and what if i had wanted to be in hospital? would i have been wrong, because i have BPD? or could i just have had an understanding of what i needed at that time?
Have only been in hospital when sectioned. It is the last place I would want to be as it takes me away from thre stable aspects of my life - work, for example. Although don't know for certain, everything my psych has been saying recently = BPD. Sorry to break your stereotypical view of someone with BPD being needy. I have spent my life helping other people. Unfortunately, at the moment, my moods dip to an extreme and I struggle to cope with it - hence sh, OD, etc. I do not want to be in hospital and my psych and cpn support me in this. ONly ever sectioned by drs who don't know me and mistake my bpd for severe depression.
"Everything is possible through Christ, who gives me strength". Phillipians 4:13
The thing is, if everytime you feel ****, you go into hospital, how on earth are you *ever* going to be able to go out in the real world? It's a completely daft idea. BPD is to do with emotional regulation - if you learn to regulate your emotions, then you will get better. If every timeyou feel a bit sad/angry/lost/unreal, you hide from the emotions by getting someone else to look after you, taking away all responsibility and outside stressors, then you'll just get worse and worse.
And that's the bottom line. BPD people *want* to be in hospital - other disorders have no choice. And as far as I'm concerned - that 'stereotype' fits in with every BPD person I've met and known.
Noones saying you're NOT sad/upset/angry etc, they're just saying the treatment is wrong. Not every physical condition necessitates a stay in a general hospital, so why should every mental disorder?
It depends really what's more important to the BPD, getting better, or feeling looked after.
And why SHOULDN'T someone with BPD be permitted to be admitted? If someone has not been admitted into the hospital system at all, and is being flat-out refused the admission into an IP ward due to the diagnosis of "BPD", then how is that even fair?
And yes, people with BPD can get attached, find the safety comforting, get "addicted" if you will to the hospital. Uh huh. Been there. But if they are going to hospital to try and get better, then I fail to see where the problem is in this.
I see the problem, if they've had numerous admissions and are showing no improvement and not wanting to make any improvement.
However, if (in the case the original poster has defined) they are asking to be admitted, how can they refuse that "because you have BPD."
I compeltely agree that reinforcing "pain - attention" using the hospital is bad. But if they are going in because they want to get better, and the staff there know they have BPD (and as such, don't let the admission be too long, treat them effectively with skills, refer them onwards to maybe an out-patient clinic) I think it can be beneifical. After all, "BPD is to do with emotional regulation - if you learn to regulate your emotions, then you will get better." and why not begin this teaching in a hospital evironment, especially if you are so low nothing is working outside the hospital?
If every time you feel **** you go into hospital = bad.
If you feel **** and ask for an admission to work on yourself, and you meet a new treating team etc, and they treat you properly and help you not to get trapped in the system = helpful.
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And as far as I'm concerned - that 'stereotype' fits in with every BPD person I've met and known.
I'd like to suggest then that you meet new/more people.
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i am being treated because i am not well at the moment. people with BPD can become poorly and need treatment sometimes too.
and what if i had wanted to be in hospital? would i have been wrong, because i have BPD? or could i just have had an understanding of what i needed at that time?
To get back to the original point for you, earthbound_misfit, as others have said it can be more difficult for someone with BPD to receive hospital treatment due to the general ideas that they will become addicted to the system, or that it will not benefit them and instead, make them worse.
However, my personal opinion is if you need to be in hospital, then, you do. It might be right, it might not. You've come thus far without a hospital admission - so you're doing really well. So people have had admissions and it may or may not have helped them - it's helped me, so I don't shy away from saying it can work, too.
But Beth, it's something you would need to (should you ever feel an admission was needed) talk over with your team of professionals. You seem to be doing okay, though, with your team, and I admire you for wanting to get better - keep at it :)
