right im not actually trying to get into hospital despite others thinking I should be there...
But I am intrigued as to why some people are allowed to admit themselves whenever they feel they need to, yet even when I tried to commit suicide and on several occasions been taken to hospital under section by the police, I have never been admitted... or even received support from the mental health team, or crisis team. (I have finally been allowed to see a therapist weekly, but no other support)
Why?? why cant I get addmitted when things are really bad? why can others in the same hospital?
Beth x
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I think it's to do with diagnosis, i'm labelled with borderline personality disorder and am not allowed to go into hospital when things are really bad. ( even if i want to) I don't understand things, but this's just my experience. The only time i'm admitted is under a section 136 if ive been found in a public place doing something very dangerous.
do you think you should be in hospital, even if you dont want to go?
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Ive been taken to hospital under a section 136, either when suicidal or actually doing something dangerous (trying to get run over etc)
Yet all they do is get a psych to see me then send me away. I can NEVER get admitted at all :( its crap the bpd diagnosis isnt it?
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yeah, it sounds like you've had quite a lot of similar experiecnces to me. It just feels like no-one even wants to help. Like 'its BPD, go away'. I dont think that I just have BPD either, i've been diagnosed with recurrent depression before but theyve scrapped that cos the antidepressants didn't work. Can be fustrating, very fustrating, I guess we just have to hope there is a future and a way through this
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yeah same i tend to just be dischared the next day.
But what i dont understand is why? why are people with BPD not entilted to as much support as others. What exactly is it about BPD than means we're not treated the same as someone else.
(sorry to hijack the thread)
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why are people with BPD not entilted to as much support as others. What exactly is it about BPD than means we're not treated the same as someone else.
Thats the point exactly... why??
the worse thing is that then you just keep returning to the hospital in worse and worse states, as your life falls apart... and they get angry and nasty with you. Any other diagnosis theyd do something but bpd they get cross at ur symptoms!
The majority of people with bpd have suffered abuse etc as children, its disgusting that they have to continue to suffer.
"I have a room for life at the home for the chronically groovy!" - Sgt Floyd Pepper
i find it weird too. i was treated very much the same as you before i went to Main House. really desperate and risky but no help. since coming back, people have been extremely helpful. i'd suggest try to get yourself into a TC, at least ask, but it's easier said than done, i know.
Generally people with BPD get labelled as hard to treat, or just being manipulative. Having BPD shouldn't affect treatment, but unfortunately it does. I recently joined a facebook group who are campaigning for people with BPD (and other mental health conditions) to get listened to after recently some people with BPD were turned away from hospital and killed themselves. There's going to be a protest in London next week about this.
Although, personally, I've never had any trouble being admitted to a psych ward.
Isn’t it funny how day by day nothing changes but when you look back, everything is different…
you once called your brain a hard drive, well say hello to the virus.
I have very good support from my mental health team and we have a long standing arrangement that I will let my care co-ordinator or psychiatrist know if I feel I need to be in hospital, and depending on beds, it happens.
Mental Health care really seems to suffer from the whole post code lottery syndrome thingy and it's just not on. People should have equal access to care and support. It bugs me.
Apparently (I don't agree with this at ALL) it is something to do with people with BPD getting addicted to the level of support hospitals offer, and becoming dependant....hmm.
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yeah bpd ppl get too used to the support.... i get admitted easily enough if im threatening to kill myself but they send me home soon after iv even said to them theres no point admitting me cuz its no use4 to me cuz il get bit better get discharged and get bad again.... they let me in only 2 weeks at a time at most.... i think the hospital is no good really for me it does nothing cuz i just get doped up wit meds and wait till i can kill myself wen im out.... sorry if iv hijacked this thread.... :S
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I find it weird about the getting addicted to support thing, they dont seem to understand that things can get worse as well as better and at some times ppl do need more support. Especially when theres an obvious problem eg a break up.
It drives me insane though, cos theyd never say to a dialysis patient 'You're too reliant on services'...
B x
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i was told i don't have a mental illness i have bpd i have also been refused admittance to hospital even tho i felt i needed to be in a safe place i was offered main house but cause i have 3 children and i also have fibromyalgia i turned down this offer i did however ask to be referred as an outpatient
It drives me insane though, cos theyd never say to a dialysis patient 'You're too reliant on services'...
B x
Woahh. That is NOT the same thing. You have some level of control over your mental state, no matter how much it feels like you don't. Someone can't force their kidneys to start working again. Seriously, wtf.
Part of BPD is being manipulative and needing attention. Admitting people to hospital every time they do something damaging reinforces the cycle of injury-attention and would lead to people causing further harm in order to get back into hospital again and recieve more care. Might be a stereotype, yes, but diagnoses are pretty much based on stereotypical analysis of peoples' personalities.
I know sometimes when I feel like sh*t some part of me wants to be back in hospital with a nurse holding my hand and a predictable routine of drips, psych assessment and observation, and I don't even have BPD. That kind of atmosphere is comforting and therefore addictive.
You want a reason, how's about "because"?
you ain't a has been if you never was.
That kind of atmosphere is comforting and therefore addictive.
Completely agree. It's all too easy for me to resort to going into hospital when things get tough. Hospital is my safety blanket, I know I'll get looked after 24/7 and no demands made of me.
It's harder to stay out but I need to in order to be able to cope.
Isn’t it funny how day by day nothing changes but when you look back, everything is different…
you once called your brain a hard drive, well say hello to the virus.
The thing is, if everytime you feel ****, you go into hospital, how on earth are you *ever* going to be able to go out in the real world? It's a completely daft idea. BPD is to do with emotional regulation - if you learn to regulate your emotions, then you will get better. If every timeyou feel a bit sad/angry/lost/unreal, you hide from the emotions by getting someone else to look after you, taking away all responsibility and outside stressors, then you'll just get worse and worse.
And that's the bottom line. BPD people *want* to be in hospital - other disorders have no choice. And as far as I'm concerned - that 'stereotype' fits in with every BPD person I've met and known.
Noones saying you're NOT sad/upset/angry etc, they're just saying the treatment is wrong. Not every physical condition necessitates a stay in a general hospital, so why should every mental disorder?
It depends really what's more important to the BPD, getting better, or feeling looked after.
No.
I agree that there are people who *want* to be in hospital opposed to those who *need* to be in hospital, however I do NOT believe that this is exclusive to BPD people or that everyone with BPD fits into this.
Sometimes people with BPD do need to be in hospital, or in some sort of care environment, for instance the majority of therapeutic communities are exclusively for personality disorders.
A lot of people who are BPD become reliant on hospital after they have been in there for a long time due to severe depression/suicideandselfharmrisk. This is something that can happen to anyone with a mental illness.
I agree there are some people with BPD who are exactly like what you describe, but I also don't think you should judge people by their diagnosis, nor judge the care they get by their diagnosis.
The majority of people I know who have BPD I met in hospital on sections. BPD includes other disorders, such as depression and anxiety and is often comorbid with other disorders.
In the end, it's about the person not the diagnosis.
It amuses me that the people defending BPD sufferers occasional actual need to be in hospital are those who suffer from it and the people who are stating BPD patients 'want to be in hospital' and have a choice in the matter have different diagnoses.
I wonder how people with PD's, especially BPD will ever stop being stigmatised if even other M/I sufferers can't fully understand the problems associated with BPD and the different types of treatment required in different circumstances.
I was physically forced the two times I went, wasn't hard to get into. This is under the American System though, probably a bit different. A threat to yourself or others and you get up to 72 hours in a psych ward.
