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Old 29-10-2008, 06:02 PM   #1
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Self harm clinic?

hey guys....
sorry to be posting so much these days but alot of stuff has been going on...

Neways I was up visiting my cpn 2day and she started asking me questions like how would i feel if i had to move away for a while and stuff... then she finally hit me with it... shes looking to send me to a specialised clinic for self harmers... I asked her was it like the hospital and she just said it was a clinic... I have no idea what she meant and what exactly she has in mind... thing is, is she's looking to send me overseas to somewhere in England... I live in N.Ireland...

Has anyone every been to a self harm clinic or anybody got any info on one? im so confused

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Old 29-10-2008, 06:35 PM   #2
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I think clinics are more based on helping you deal with things like providing therapy etc. While hospitals (the one I've been in!) is about getting you out of the imediate danger zone, stabablizing meds etc then going into therapy out side once you leave.

But this is a guess to be honest. Sorry I can't supply you with any accurate information!

Can you email your cpn? Or write down your questions for next appointment?

Try not to stress too much, she would not have mentioned it he didn't feel that it was a possible helpful method of treatment for you!

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Old 29-10-2008, 07:04 PM   #3
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I agree with Devil Girl - write down a list of questions you'd like to know the answers to before you next see her (if this isn't soon, perhaps arrange an appointment to go see her if you're anxious?). If you find it difficult to ask them, just hand her the paper.

How do you feel about going to England, if that's the case?

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Old 29-10-2008, 08:13 PM   #4
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I was in a specialist self harm clinic. To my knowledge it's the only national one, so it's probably the one she is looking into. It's called the Crisis Recovery Unit and is based at the Bethlem Royal Hospital.

You stay there for a fixed period of six months. You are inpatient from Monday-Friday and you go home for the weekends. All patients are voluntary (ie, no sectioned patients). They take a maximum of six patients, mixed, but the majority are female.

You are allowed to self harm whilst you are there, but you have provisos set. You are not allowed to self harm in communal areas. If you self harm, you MUST report it to the nursing staff using a blue form within two hours, and you have to accept any treatment they deem necessary. If you need to go to A&E, they will call you a taxi and you go to A&E on your own. You will have other provisos set according to your individual needs. If you break a proviso you will be sent home for one week's leave.

There is a huge emphasis on groups. You receive a timetable of groups which run from 9am to 8pm daily. You are not forced to attend, but it is strongly encouraged.

The CRU does not like prescribing benzodiazepines (eg diazepam, lorazepam) as a general rule, anyone admitted currently on them will be taken off of them slowly.

At the CRU there is a team of nursing staff, you will be allocated three which make up your team. Twice a day there are "negotiations" which is basically a 1:1 with you and your allocated nurse. You talk about any issues you are having, your feelings, your self harm, how you feel about the other patients, anything you want. Also at the CRU is a psychiatrist, two doctors, and an occupational therapist. You can see a dietician also.

You have ward rounds roughly once a month where you have a meeting with the psychiatrist (Dr Paul Moran), the nursing manager, your primary nurse, the occupational therapist, one of the doctors and your CMHT and your family if you wish. Here you talk about your progress, your meds, stuff like that.

Once a week the whole team meet up for management round where they also discuss the patients, so the psych is around every week for more urgent matters.

The groups you have are- Community Group (every morning) where all of the residents and most of the nursing staff on duty meet in the group room. The residents lead the discussion, and they can pretty much talk about any topic they want to.

There is art therapy, creative writing, movement (a dance therapist runs this), cooking, HOTUSH (helping others to understand self harm), coping skills (DBT) and evening activity (every night, everyone plays a game together). Also, meals are eaten together in the dining room (including nurses). And evening evaluation at the end of each day, you just evaluate every group you went to and how you felt and what issues you had.

Each resident has their own bedroom. You can stick stuff on the walls and have your own bedding. A cleaner comes in to clean the room. You can't lock the doors though, and there is a window with a curtain on the outside so that the nurses can check on you at night. None of the other residents tend to come in your room though, cos your room is your own space and people respect that.

There is a huge emphasis on boundaries. For example, you cannot turn up to a group more than five minutes late. If you are any later, you cannot attend that group. You have a period of about half an hour in the mornings where you have to ask to "negotiate" later in the day, and if you dont ask during that time then you will not have a negotiation that day. Medication times are strict. You will not be called for medication, you have to remember to go to the meds hatch. If you forget, you will not be given your medication. You cannot discuss self harm with the other residents outside of the groups. If you have self harmed, you cannot go into communal areas or talk to the other residents until you have been treated. You cannot say to the other residents if you feel like self harming, or declare you have just self harmed. If you feel unsafe you can request to see a member of staff to "safety plan" but you cannot ask for a particular person, they will allocate someone.

You cannot drink alcohol or use drugs in the unit. If you drink alcohol or use drugs on weekend leave, you have to put it on a blue form the same as you do if you self harm at the weekend.

I've probably forgotten loads, so feel free to ask questions.


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Old 29-10-2008, 08:15 PM   #5
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Thanx for the replies...

my cpn said she'll talk it over with the doctor to see what he recommends so it'll probably be a while before they come 2 a decision...

it the hospital they didnt do alot of therepy and they say the clinic is intensive therepy which im not sure im ready for.

about going 2 england... thats quite scary... i'll be away from my family and friends (well whats left of them), it was bad enough being an hours drive from belfast (my old adolesant ward)
i thought i was finished with being an inpatient :(



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Old 29-10-2008, 08:18 PM   #6
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do they have things like 1:1 obs or anything?
so theres no chance il get detaiend again?
whats the age range?
did it help u?

sorry for all the questions lol



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Old 29-10-2008, 08:26 PM   #7
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No, there's no 1:1 obs. If you are suicidal, you have to leave the unit and go to your local psych ward. Then you go back to the CRU when the crisis has passed. But, say if you are on your local psych ward for two weeks, you do not get those two weeks back at the CRU. You will have lost them from your admission.

The therapy is very intense (you do get breaks during the day) but you quickly get used to it. You are free in the evenings to watch tv in the lounge or go to your room, or go for walks in the grounds of the hospital or even walk into town.

The age range is 17-65, but when I was there, the majority of the other residents were between 25-40.

Personally, it didn't help me because I feel I went there at the wrong point in my life. I didn't want to get better. But everyone else did, and 99% of the people I was there with have now pretty much completely stopped self harming.

Oh, and the unit is actually a large house. There's not a hospital feel to it at all, which is why I liked it. And the nurses keep themselves to themselves when they are not in groups. They don't sit and watch you or anything.



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Old 29-10-2008, 08:29 PM   #8
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This is the facebook group. Photos are on there too if you are interested in seeing what it looks like. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6950622962&ref=ts



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Old 29-10-2008, 08:35 PM   #9
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I was refered there and accepted BUT I had to have a bmi of 18 before I was allowed to go. Which I just couldn't get my bmi up to that and maintain on my own.
So I wasn't able to go there and my team locally wouldn't refer me for ED treatment as they said it wasn't needed! (bollox really)

The CRU is strict with EDs you have to maintain and manage it yourself they deal with SI and SI only.

Sounds a very harsh routine but helpful.

I never had the oportunity since then so if it is offered then I say look into it fully. Write all your questions down. Ask others (like on forums etc) And don't say no straight away.



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Old 29-10-2008, 08:39 PM   #10
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I was there with other patients who had EDs, but part of their provisos was maintaining a BMI of at least 17.5, preferably 18. The CRU primarily deals with self harm, but EDs do fall under that blanket so there was a lot of discussion surrounding EDs when I was there. Most of the girls purged as part of their self harm.

There is also a dietician who see's you if you have an ED and weighs you and stuff. And if you starve/binge they class it as self harm and you have to report it.

But yeah, you will only have one opportunity to go to this clinic. It is a national service with a long waiting list. If you get an assessment, go. If they offer you a place, think about it A LOT.

If you don't feel ready for it now, then wait until you do. It's such a good opportunity.



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Old 29-10-2008, 08:41 PM   #11
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what were they like about visiting hours?
its the whole thing it being so far away, its in England and thats overseas :s

thats quite harsh about the ED thing...
they seem to be quite strict



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Old 29-10-2008, 08:43 PM   #12
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Visiting hours are after 8pm only. To be honest, no one really visits as you go home for weekends anyway.

They are strict, but hell, it works. They have such a high success rate.



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Old 29-10-2008, 08:49 PM   #13
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When I went for my assessment there was a girl there from Gilbraltor! As that is a British place she had to come over here for the treatment! At weekends she luckily had a london based friend to stay with. As there was nowt otherwise.

I would've gone if I was able to but my ED was too bad and I was no way able to manage it myself. So I was accepted but told I had to gain before going there.



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Old 29-10-2008, 08:58 PM   #14
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would the likes of the NHS pay for travelling expenses considering i would be so far from home? we dont have a lot of money these days and travelling would be very expensive...

it sounds like a good place to go if struggling with self harm...

what would they so if someone was under a lot of distress? do they do things like restraints and stuff? (nasty business)

thanx for the help u guys...xo



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Old 30-10-2008, 11:33 AM   #15
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Yeah, they pay for your travel.

Basically, they wont take you if you are at the point where you are needing to be restrained/suicidal. They don't do restraints/injections/anything like that.



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