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Old 13-10-2008, 12:58 PM   #1
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Punishment Cells in Schools

Dad’s fury at punishment cell for kids at Doncaster school

12/10/2008
A school enforces a strict code of discipline by sending unruly children to an isolation room.
Punishment for pupils is to sit spotlighted in one of four “cells” created by partitions – the school calls them individual study rooms – and facing one of the isolation room’s black walls.
When a pupil at Ridgewood School in Doncaster, South Yorks, misbehaves parents are sent a letter informing them of the length of sentence.

One parent has likened the set-up to Guantanamo Bay and children at the school reportedly call it “the dungeon”.
Dad Andrew Widdowson found out about it when son Kieran, 11, helped let down the tyres of a boy’s bike at the zero-tolerance school and was told he must spend a day inside the room.
Andrew, 30, claimed: “A teacher rang and told me about the punishment and I went into the school to see for myself what this isolation room was.
“I couldn’t believe it. It was like something out of Guantanamo Bay.
“The room is painted totally black. The walls, the partitions, the window blinds – everything was black.
“The partitions down one side created four cells where school kids are expected to sit at a desk all day.
“My son has never been in trouble. The first time he’s done something and he gets told to go into isolation. The punishment doesn’t fit the crime. I was shocked they were putting children into that room. It’s more like a prison.”
The dad received a letter that said “all the boys involved would serve one day in the isolation room on separate days ... so they can reflect individually on their actions and hopefully decide that they will not be part of doing anything like this again whatever their motivation and degree of involvement in this case.”
Andrew is refusing to allow Kieran, who is academically bright, to be
sent to the room but teachers have refused to let him back into classes until he serves his time in isolation.
The dad claimed: “The school is running a regime of fear. They need to close the room down. I would rather take my son out of the school than see him spend time in that dungeon.”
Kieran claimed: “It’s really scary. I know other boys who have been inside. I’ve heard teachers call it solitary confinement.” The “dungeon” is about seven metres by 2.5m wide and 2.3m high and in a block called the Gresley building.
But the school defended the room and its “cells” or “individual carrels” supervised by a member of staff.
In a statement it said: “It is well lit with a window providing adequate external light and extra ventilation as required, and each individual carrel has separate spot lighting in addition.
“The facility has been in use for over four years and accommodates a handful of pupils each week overwhelmingly for no more than one day and some for less than this. The facility is used at a relatively minor level of the behaviour policy to give pupils a chance to reflect on their behaviour and strengthen their desire to meet expectations in future.
“It overwhelmingly achieves this in terms of pupils not returning for repeated isolations.
“Pupils are supplied with work from current lessons and are free to ask questions of the supervising member of staff as they would in lessons.
“It was fully functional during the 2006 Ofsted inspection and approved as a positive feature of the school’s overall success.
“The school shares the aim of getting Kieran back into education at Ridgewood promptly.
“He is welcome to return at any time, do his day in isolation in line with the behaviour policy for all pupils and return to his full mainstream timetable.” The school added claims the room was intimidating were “comp-letely and wholly appropriate.”



What are your views? Is this the right way to go to punish children, can you think of alternatives?

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Personally I think it is disgusting, CHILDREN are put in these, the emotional scars will be horrendous for an 11 year old, especially as it has been used, for what is really a trivual offence.. has the world gone mad? This really is another step to treating all children like criminals.




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Old 13-10-2008, 02:13 PM   #2
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My school had something similar, although it wasn't painted black and there were windows (but the blinds were closed). It was called "the unit" and had CCTV in it to protect the teachers as well as the students. Personally, I didn't see a problem with it, some students cannot be taught within a classroom and they need to do work. It was either there or outside/inside a senior management office being watched by one of the head teachers.

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Old 13-10-2008, 06:18 PM   #3
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It looks really scary, and I think it does look similar to what I imagine a cell would look like.
I can see the need for children to be taken out of class sometimes but I don't think they should be taken to a room like that.

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Old 13-10-2008, 06:26 PM   #4
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right my view... With the most servear cases yes do it!!! hell yes do it!!!! persistant bullying/fighting/letting down tyres yeah send them there.

One thing though with this...
I got put in a room we called it "withdrawal" I loved it i couldn't cope in lessons so for fighting i got sent into withdrawal for half a day yes it was just the community lounge and had light and everything but before that we had nearly the same as that picture but grey. Windows very high up. Unfortinately that room was cut off limits.

Thing is what about those people like me who actually liked it in withdrawal. Seriosuly i got on with my work and completed it... with time to spare...

I think that lad should be put in the isolation room. He should be punnished and spent a day in there i quite like the idea :)

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Old 13-10-2008, 06:27 PM   #5
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I agree with the OP, it's as if all children are criminals. Yes, misbehaving children may need to be removed from lessons, but where's the harm in an ordinary classroom or staff office?
Children are children. Obviously. Everyone makes mistakes. We are human. Children misbehave. By eleven, yes we may know what the rules and expectations are, but children break rules naturally. everyone has. Even the people who thought up this extreme punishment will have misbehaved as a child, and would have hated to be put into solitary confinement as these children are.

This is extreme and the children will be scarred from the experience, and the teachers who have to sit in the room will not enjoy the silent loneliness. This is wrong.




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Old 13-10-2008, 06:44 PM   #6
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Our school had something very similar, it was basically a small room where children who misbehaved were sent. However it was part of a clear increasing set of sanctions which started at breaktime detentions,lunchtime detentions then after school detentions, progression to isolation (what the small room was called), then temporary exclusion and then suspension. Obviously parts of this hierarchy could be skipped depending on the severity of the crime. Is it really going to cause psychological trauma to pupils? Is it bollocks! It's for a day and if it truly is so awful then it is an effective deterrent to stop a child from misbehaving again. And as for people saying "its like saying children are criminals" he burst someones bike tyres, surely that is criminal damage?





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Old 13-10-2008, 06:58 PM   #7
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Children are spolied these days they can literally get away with murder and they know it, these days school has no fit punishment to give. They beat a kid to within an inch of his/her life and they get a 4 week holiday and a slap on the wrist, it's not on. If i was primeminister i would enforce serious penalties on any child that breaks the rules.

This is the start of a good thing, children will learn not to misbehave and be anti-social retards that seem to wish pain on everyone that doesn't see the way they do. The world is going downhill because no one can punish children anymore, the middle east has the right idea criminal punishment is not relaxed because a child did it, they steal they get their hand cut off regardless of age.

Now i am not saying we start cutting hands and feet off with surgical instruments but we need penalties in place that will tell these children that violence and bad behaviour will not be tolerated. If i had it my way that black room would be a torture chamber and these kids would learn to be nice. Something has to be done because to be honest this country is going to hell because of bad parenting and a bad government that is enforcing laws to protect children further for their naughty ways.






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Old 13-10-2008, 07:51 PM   #8
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the choky(sp) in matilda!!!!!!!!!
personaly i dont think it will make much difference to behaviour, the
school just wastes a load of money (that could be used on new computers ect) on redecorating a classroom



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Yes, misbehaving children may need to be removed from lessons, but where's the harm in an ordinary classroom or staff office?
What if there aren't any spare classrooms? Also, in classrooms the pupils can't be separated as well and so they'll just muck about and not do any work. Staff are busy, they might have meetings, phonecalls, wanting to get on with their own work without having to constantly get a pupil to do their work.

They aren't going to be traumatised by sitting in a room facing a wall and doing work. What about the pupils who are traumatised by their bullying? If it effects them that much then they might start to behave a bit better.

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I'm not against isolation for certain circumstances, but I think the black out type effect has pushed it too far.

There have been cases, a fair few too many really- where children are put into isolation for petty things which should have been dealt with in better ways, it's easier though for a teacher to put a child in isolation than to sort the real problem..
Is forgetting you book a just cause to be shoved straight in there? When other methods would probably be much for effective.


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Old 13-10-2008, 08:16 PM   #11
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I agree.

I would say something longwinded but i can't be bothered.





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I don't see a problem with it. Kids get away with far too much in schools these days.

Has anyone considered that they probably painted everything black to reduce the amount of graffiti that can be done?



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Old 14-10-2008, 01:49 AM   #13
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I quite like the idea.

As for the 'black out' effect. Think of your school drama studio...black walls, black or dark floor and blacked out windows. It's not like they're sat in the dark. It's just a modified drama studio. If it works then I'm all for it.

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Old 14-10-2008, 07:21 AM   #14
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I've been a supply teacher in some really tough inner city [albeit primary] schools.
Some of the behaviour was really ... bad. But there was nowhere to send the children. Going to another class just reinforced their bad behaviour, and it stopped other children from learning. [never mind causing the teacher untold stress]
So, I actually think it's a good idea.
Noone's yelling at them.
Noone's hurting them.
The rest of the class, and the teacher can preserve their sanity.

Maybe I'm biased because I've taught in some 'hell holes' but yes...

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oh yeah I totally see the resembelence to Guantanamo Bay *rolls eyes*




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oh yeah I totally see the resembelence to Guantanamo Bay *rolls eyes*
I know, that is a pathetic resemblance as i see no room for torturing the children with white noise torture or water boarding techniques, this is a room that should tell the children that bad behaviour is not accepted.






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Yay, send them there.
One thing wrong, punish.
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Old 16-10-2008, 02:44 AM   #18
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i think that there are extremes to seperate kids and stuff. If this school has had to delevep a zero tolerance (lots of schools don't) then the school obviously needs a room that the kids are going to be wary off. I thin kthe black out effect may be a bit over the top. That smacks of an 'interragation' room. And when you're sitting in a blacked out room (ONE window) and a flurescent light over you kids wills tart to develop headaches and can also get eye problems. I would like to know what the heck happened to detention!

I wokr with young offenders and alot of my clients are in and out of the youth detention centre. It's not a bright and happy place but even IT doesn't have a room matching this schools... I think a solitary room is fine. but it shouldn't be blacked out. *nods*



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Old 16-10-2008, 04:00 AM   #19
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I don't think that sounds so bad. All they have to do is sit in there for the day, and then everything's back to normal. How is that traumatising? When I was in school, when we got in trouble, we had to go to another classroom and sit in a "Think Time" desk, where all the other kids in that class could see you and know you were in trouble. I'd take isolation over that, personally!





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Personally I find that absolutely ridiculous. I thknk whoever came up with this genious plan could use a little of "What did the five fingers say to the face" if you know what i mean.

Chelsey...any way you can source that diagram?

here is a pic from sourced from the "Click here to read more on this story from the Daily Mail." (if you believe the fLIES :P) of the outside of the 'chamber'




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