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Old 04-06-2011, 10:37 PM   #21
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Helen - I know you don't know me but I've been lurking here for a while before I joined up and I really hope you are okay and that you'll let the doctors help you through this hard time xxx



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Old 04-06-2011, 10:58 PM   #22
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Much love to you Helen xxx



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Old 04-06-2011, 11:20 PM   #23
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I can understand not wanting to be in hospital but that was a stupid decision not to stay and let people help you when it was on offer.

I fear one day you will decide you actually do want help but those around you will think it is going to be wasted and refuse to keep offering support to you. Regrets can be terrible things, don't hamper the possible future you do have with rash decisions, face up to what is going on and make the most of it when they are trying to care. I believe you could make something fantastic of yourself and that potential is going to waste when you refuse to accept treatment and support. I think you need to consider what would be worse, wanting it and not having it, or having and not wanting it.

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Old 04-06-2011, 11:22 PM   #24
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I can understand not wanting to be in hospital but that was a stupid decision not to stay and let people help you when it was on offer.

I fear one day you will decide you actually do want help but those around you will think it is going to be wasted and refuse to keep offering support to you. Regrets can be terrible things, don't hamper the possible future you do have with rash decisions, face up to what is going on and make the most of it when they are trying to care. I believe you could make something fantastic of yourself and that potential is going to waste when you refuse to accept treatment and support. I think you need to consider what would be worse, wanting it and not having it, or having and not wanting it.

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Old 04-06-2011, 11:24 PM   #25
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I think MissAnonymous makes some very good points. I understand it must be so hard for you to let yourself be cared for and to be in quite a restrictive environment. Ultimately as horrible as these experiences are they can ironically sometimes be gateways to more help. If you are feeling crappy physically then you will feel even worse mentally. I do hope you reconsider and get the help (mental and physical) that you need and that you start to feel better soon.

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I can understand not wanting to be in hospital but that was a stupid decision not to stay and let people help you when it was on offer.

I fear one day you will decide you actually do want help but those around you will think it is going to be wasted and refuse to keep offering support to you. Regrets can be terrible things, don't hamper the possible future you do have with rash decisions, face up to what is going on and make the most of it when they are trying to care. I believe you could make something fantastic of yourself and that potential is going to waste when you refuse to accept treatment and support. I think you need to consider what would be worse, wanting it and not having it, or having and not wanting it.





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Old 04-06-2011, 11:51 PM   #26
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i really dont know but i really hope your right.



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Old 04-06-2011, 11:54 PM   #27
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That was a stupid decision, I know the ED has taken over though so I can understand to an extent. I can't believe the Doctor let her go to be honest.
I hope that the high risk team interevene now.
We all want you to survive Helen,, we all love you so please try and accept help
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Old 05-06-2011, 12:29 AM   #28
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Old 05-06-2011, 12:43 AM   #29
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As far as I understand it, specialist help has been on offer and the tone given was that Helen could take it when she was ready to accept it and make changes. I believe the reason treatment is not actively being perused is because this is what Helen does with help; refuse and go home.

If the Dr let her go it was because she was not section-able and medically not critical enough to force her to stay under a 5.2 for assessment.

I am sure if a section is in order it will be done most probably by the GP and mental health team as a planned event with consideration to the fact Helen is not cooperating it will be their last point of call to find her a bed in the right ward that could be full of people wanting the support and using it wisely.

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Old 05-06-2011, 12:55 AM   #30
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Valid points.
It's just... what do we do now? This is really hard to like, "watch" being played out over the internet.
I want to know how she's getting on & stuff, so don't say "just go away if you don't want to help", because I do want to help, but help what & how exactly?? ... I don't know. I just don't know.
I think it's important to say this. I think it's important to let each other know how we affect each other. Watching this happen and feeling helpless over it is difficult. But I guess we all know deep down that we can't always help other people - we can give advice, but it's up to us individually to take any advice given and save ourselves, if that makes sense. And it's bloody hard, but it's the only chance we've got to survive.

Helen, sounds like there's lots of support here on this thread, and some great advice, and some good warnings too. I hope a part of you manages to listen.

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I think there is an element of wanting people to know what is going and make plain the severity of the problem online whilst still refusing to change. Its a horrible place for those who care to be on the receiving end. Ultimately Helen can change the position she puts other in by behaving this way. Maybe it will take time to digest the effects certain behaviours will have before considering a different path, I just hope in hearing what it is like to involve people online but simultaneously refuse professional help there will be some sort of conscience that signals a need to change.

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Old 05-06-2011, 01:50 AM   #32
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I really really hate to be the one to say this, and I know it may seem harsh and/or blunt, so I'm going to apologise before I even say it.


From what I've gathered in this thread, her potassium levels have dropped continuously for 3 or 4 days, and her blood pressure has been dropping.
How the hell, not even 24 hours afterwards, can a Dr say she's okay to leave? What's to say those levels won't keep dropping. Helen, we all care so so much about you, we don't want to lose you, but I'm scared we just might, and I hate that I'm even having to think about that, let alone type it out.



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Old 05-06-2011, 02:21 AM   #33
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That's not harsh/blunt at all love, it's the truth.

As we have already stated clearly, Helen, we want you to get out of this alive. And we don't see you getting out alive if you managed to get discharged when your bloods are dropping.

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Old 05-06-2011, 11:55 AM   #34
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I really really hate to be the one to say this, and I know it may seem harsh and/or blunt, so I'm going to apologise before I even say it.


From what I've gathered in this thread, her potassium levels have dropped continuously for 3 or 4 days, and her blood pressure has been dropping.
How the hell, not even 24 hours afterwards, can a Dr say she's okay to leave? What's to say those levels won't keep dropping. Helen, we all care so so much about you, we don't want to lose you, but I'm scared we just might, and I hate that I'm even having to think about that, let alone type it out.
Presumably, her levels had been stabilised by the IV and her potassium should now be OK or at least not at a critical level. A doctor wouldn't have let her go otherwise, I assume.

I haven't got involved with this situation before because Helen has so much great support and I don't think there is anything I could add. But I completely agree with MissA.



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Old 05-06-2011, 12:17 PM   #35
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I'm just wondering something here. Please dont slate me for this.

Is it when everything bad happens to helen the same thing happens over and over again

She tells someone shes in hosp- You post it on here- we give support- a few days later she either discharges herself or lets HCP's let her go... She tells other person and then we all rally around her.

Dont you think after so long this is what she's after everyone worrying about her and then her discharging herself or getting a health care professional to let her go.

To me she's now so used to the attention she gets on this site that the only way she can get it is to worry people stupid then after she gets a little support does the opposite of what advice/suport we've given her.

Also yeah getting support via text is all well and good but after a billionth time of worrying people on this site why give permission to post it on here knowing full well she'll get little bit of support then after that wheres off do the exact opposite of what we said.

Right If yu understand my thoughts go you because I cant work out head or tail of them lol x

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I'm just wondering something here. Please dont slate me for this.

Is it when everything bad happens to helen the same thing happens over and over again

She tells someone shes in hosp- You post it on here- we give support- a few days later she either discharges herself or lets HCP's let her go... She tells other person and then we all rally around her.

Dont you think after so long this is what she's after everyone worrying about her and then her discharging herself or getting a health care professional to let her go.

To me she's now so used to the attention she gets on this site that the only way she can get it is to worry people stupid then after she gets a little support does the opposite of what advice/suport we've given her.

Also yeah getting support via text is all well and good but after a billionth time of worrying people on this site why give permission to post it on here knowing full well she'll get little bit of support then after that wheres off do the exact opposite of what we said.

Right If yu understand my thoughts go you because I cant work out head or tail of them lol x
bit harsh dont u think

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Old 05-06-2011, 01:53 PM   #37
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I tried to multi-quote but it wouldn't let me....

Originally Posted by fragile_angel
I'm just wondering something here. Please dont slate me for this.

Is it when everything bad happens to helen the same thing happens over and over again

She tells someone shes in hosp- You post it on here- we give support- a few days later she either discharges herself or lets HCP's let her go... She tells other person and then we all rally around her.

Dont you think after so long this is what she's after everyone worrying about her and then her discharging herself or getting a health care professional to let her go.

To me she's now so used to the attention she gets on this site that the only way she can get it is to worry people stupid then after she gets a little support does the opposite of what advice/suport we've given her.

Also yeah getting support via text is all well and good but after a billionth time of worrying people on this site why give permission to post it on here knowing full well she'll get little bit of support then after that wheres off do the exact opposite of what we said.

Right If yu understand my thoughts go you because I cant work out head or tail of them lol x


bit harsh dont u think

I think to a degree its harsh but i also think that its very possible. For some attention is a huge part of an eating disorder and the sicker someone is the more attention they gain. This then reinforces the idea that attention is gained only through being sick.



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Old 05-06-2011, 03:27 PM   #38
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sometimes you need to be harsh to be kind.

I dont think that post was harsh its better than *hugs* it will get better sweetie...

When in reality it wont get better until she actually accepts help.

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Old 05-06-2011, 04:06 PM   #39
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It's not harsh, it is true.

But I also feel wary of talking about Helen when she isn't posting to 'defend' her actions.



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Old 05-06-2011, 04:12 PM   #40
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I think a lot of people do that on RYL, not solely Helen. It doesn't necessarily mean they don't deserve support. Everyone deserves support.

Helen has got into a vicious cycle, of relying on her ED, and the way she copes with it. She needs support in helping her break that cycle.

You do deserve to get better Helen.



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