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Pi.R^2 · 26-01-2013, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by griddlebone

See this is why this discussion doesnt work,because people get their backs up and will defend their group no matter what(naturally) with no admittance that there might actually be a problem. This isnt going to get solved so its all a bit pointless unfortunately

I personally only get defensive when my friends are called pathetic or a 'depressing case'. If given an example of a situation where members have been made to feel excluded and I will happily discuss what can be done, to not necessarily 'change' the clique, but make the clique more aware of itself, and to make the website itself more accessible. Whilst people continue to publicly mock my friends (and this time there is evidence that the 'victims' DO take offence to it), I will remain defensive, as will others and discussion WILL be pointless.

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Originally Posted by Rawrk

I don't like the fact that you keep bringing this up, even though this wasn't what happened at all (at least from mine and a few others point of view). We sat at the end next to people we knew because the big table was already full up by you guys, we all said hi at some point, and we tried to entertain everyone.

I didn't realise I'd brought it up a lot to be honest, sorry! It wasn't a big deal, it was just in addition to comments that some people made whilst outside smoking and stuff with previous meets that upset me, but I'm aware that a)people are going to stick with the people they know and b)My perception (and that of everyone else who was uncomfortable) is not necessarily right.

My exact point was that whilst you guys made us feel a bit uncomfortable, it's not something that should be regulated or that you should be criticised for.

I think it's cool to hear from others on how they've felt at meets and try to make suggestions of how to make people feel more included, as it's cool for you or Katie to brainstorm ideas for how to make people feel less excluded on RYL, but it would be wrong for me to say that you're wrong for the way you and your friends conduct yourselves.

26-01-2013, 10:08 PM	#47
Pi.R^2 RYL Super Sponsor! Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Safety Cupboard I am currently:	Quote: Originally Posted by griddlebone See this is why this discussion doesnt work,because people get their backs up and will defend their group no matter what(naturally) with no admittance that there might actually be a problem. This isnt going to get solved so its all a bit pointless unfortunately I personally only get defensive when my friends are called pathetic or a 'depressing case'. If given an example of a situation where members have been made to feel excluded and I will happily discuss what can be done, to not necessarily 'change' the clique, but make the clique more aware of itself, and to make the website itself more accessible. Whilst people continue to publicly mock my friends (and this time there is evidence that the 'victims' DO take offence to it), I will remain defensive, as will others and discussion WILL be pointless. Quote: Originally Posted by Rawrk I don't like the fact that you keep bringing this up, even though this wasn't what happened at all (at least from mine and a few others point of view). We sat at the end next to people we knew because the big table was already full up by you guys, we all said hi at some point, and we tried to entertain everyone. I didn't realise I'd brought it up a lot to be honest, sorry! It wasn't a big deal, it was just in addition to comments that some people made whilst outside smoking and stuff with previous meets that upset me, but I'm aware that a)people are going to stick with the people they know and b)My perception (and that of everyone else who was uncomfortable) is not necessarily right. My exact point was that whilst you guys made us feel a bit uncomfortable, it's not something that should be regulated or that you should be criticised for. I think it's cool to hear from others on how they've felt at meets and try to make suggestions of how to make people feel more included, as it's cool for you or Katie to brainstorm ideas for how to make people feel less excluded on RYL, but it would be wrong for me to say that you're wrong for the way you and your friends conduct yourselves. Last edited by Pi.R^2 : 26-01-2013 at 10:13 PM.
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