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Does anyone else watch this did anyone see the guy cut himself on camera surly they should not have allowed that??

yeah i saw this. i was surprised. they said before it was on that there were scenes of self harm, which i expected just to be the scars. i kind of found it weird he would want to cut whilst being filmed, it feels like such a private thing for me

yes i saw that and my jaw hit the floor i just couldn't believe they would show that on t.v and also i was a bit like wtf was the camera person doing? surely noone could stand there and let that happen just for a documentary (that had nothing to do with why he actually went to hospital in first place either) yeah i was just disgusted really.and it triggered me off as i wasn't expecting that. like blue star said i was expecting scars or something

there are loads of TV programmes and films and stuff that show people getting stabbed and impaled on stuff and other general violence. I understand why it would be upsetting, but they did warn viewers, it didn't say 'showing scenes of self harm scars' it said 'scenes of self harm'.

I don't understand why someone would cut themselves on TV, seems odd to me, but that's TV for you I suppose.

I didnt watch it but Im guessing his state of mind might not of been 100% and therefore he might not have cared/registered that he was doing it on TV or something?

Its a documentary and I think with programmes like that you should expect to see just about anything. I would understand people being appalled by it if there was no warning but there was one so I dont see the issue?

I'm going to watch it shortly. To be honest, I think this time around on this programme C4 have not been entirely ethical with their film making. They frequently feature vulnerable people in situations that had they been in a clear frame of mind they probably wouldn't have wanted to be filmed.

For instance last week with Margarita who OD'd, and then afterwards argued with her partner and had an abortion. She talked very candidly about her problems, and she came across as an extremely vulnerable person who probably does not understand the consequences of what she was doing by being on the documentary.

And if they show a person self harming they will obviously be in considerable distress and not in a place where they can consent to being filmed and understand the consequences.

I watched it.....hes wasnt exactly in the frame of mind to be concerned about doing it on film as far as I could see!

The most distressing one for me was watching the old lady who was hallucinating after drinking.

I dont watch these programmes for the simple reason that I know something in them will make me really sad and I also dont agree to people who are going to hospital/called an ambulance should be filmed.

Andy, you said it all

The camera crew for this documentary turned up to where my mum works and were insistant on filming the medical emergency that was going on- a man with dementia in considerable distress and very confused, wont go into specifics. But the manager of where my mum works said she didn't want them filming, and the director kept saying she had a right to film etc and it got very heated.

The old guy certainly didn't have the mental capacity to consent to being filmed, and from what I gather he was never asked if he wanted to be filmed. Though I think the camera crew were eventually prevented from filming and left. Not sure if what they did get will make it to the programme or not.

Yea, it does seem to me that they missed their ethics lectures in favour of being douchebags.

That raises an interesting ethical and moral debate.

I don't agree with that at all. Channel Four gave a very specific warning after the final advertisement break that scenes of graphic self harm were about to be shown. One can make a choice as to whether one chooses to watch or not. Calling them 'douchebags' seems someone harsh and immature I have to say.

I think Happywondering meant the producers/director people Sarah.

It made me extremely triggered.

As someone said previously, I found the poor lady that was hallucinating after drinking more distressing. They did provide a warning which kind of covers their arses. I just felt sorry for the bloke, he was obviously suffering and was very distressed about how his life was.

It's not about whether they warn people there'll be graphic or distressing scenes, it's the fact that the director and film makers were allowed to film people who (probably) did not have the mental capacity to consent to being filmed and understand the consequences.

Surly the people would have had to consent before or after filling ??

They dont always need consent as far as I am aware, and even if a person doesn't consent they just blur the face but still show the footage.

But even if they DID ask consent, I doubt those people would have the capacity to understand.

Whoever reads the daily mail needs a slap

That is somewhat assumptive.

What confused me is that the guy in question-this was the story they showed on him-He was trying to get himself off drink suddenly without help so as a consequence he was having severe withdrawals and had to call an ambulance which he'd previously had to do due to fitting etc ok so that was his story and so when they said scenes of self harm I thought ok theirs scenes of self harm fine ive been warned i'll see how it goes and turn it over if needs be so when he came on the screen and they were interveiwing him about going to the hospital and his alcoholism that was to be expected that was fine after all thats what he went in for so then when he suddenly picks up this knife I was like WHAT?? I actually did say that lol!
So for me yes I'd been warned but I had no idea it was just going to turn into that,I was thinking it would be a completely different person because their had been no hint of him having a problem with self harming at all prior to that.
So in relation to his story I felt like hmmm they are going off on a tangem here (if thats how you spell it!)
The programme is about the emergency crew and the peoples problems they deal with-they didn't deal with that with him at all.
So i thought why put that in? its called 999 whats the emergency not 999 whats the emergency and every other problem you have in your life you're struggling to deal with that we actually didn't take you to hospital for!
anyways yeah thats my take on it.

You got to wonder how some of this comes into a td things the paremedics say not very professional ..

The consent part?

I don't think so. I'm not saying they are idiots or have low IQ, I'm saying if you've just overdosed or cut yourself you will be experiencing considerable mental distress, and in that moment how can you possibly begin to think about whether you want to be filmed and the impact it may have on your life?

Even if 99% of the time they are functioning fine, in that one moment of distress you can't presume they have full capacity and I think it is unethical to just shove a camera in their face because it makes good television.

Oh my goodness. Just watched it. I don't understand why they would show that? And why nobody stopped him. Awful. And I don't think there was adequate warning (at least in the online program) that there would be active self harm.

I watched it online and there was a pop up thing that said 'this contains scenes of self harm, click to agree to terms and conditions.'

Nobody stopped him?!
I didn't watch it so have no idea.
That just seems....agh!

If you did that in the presence of nurses in a psych ward you'd have about 20 of them on top of you in a split second!

Yeah, that's pretty awful.

Things people do for viewers these days :wow:

It was just him and the documentary staff, after he'd been in A&E catching up with him, and they just filmed it.

oh this weeks one is focusing on mental health.. We wonder whats gonna happen this week!!

They will probs do something completely unrelated to the subject no doubt! lol! ;-)

From the introduction sequence you can see a person threatening to jump off a roof, and another person overdosing on pills.

So two more examples of distressed, vulnerable people with a camera thrust in their face.

Am interested as I know its mental health this week, will see what happens

Man tries to jump of carpark how can he be in re right frame of mind trigger warning for self harm these people are vunrable alright x

Omfg man overdosing been called stupid that's not self harm that's overdosing they should not just film an allow that we're the ethnical moral

If it was the police they would stop you and is it not bad that we can be told we are not crazy enough for help

Most disturbing thing is kings cross station man under a train guess I know now it does not kill you x

I've been told by paramedics before (when legging it from A&E) that they are not allowed to physically stop you doing anything.
At the time I was very high risk and I won't bore anyone with the details, but the paramedics that were with me could not physically stop me, they had to get the police to do it.

I decided to stop watching it because I was unhappy with the way this weeks episode was done and the positions they filmed people in. If it's offending you, vote with the remote. If viewing figures fall, they will rethink their filming strategy.

They should not show the peoples identities it could cause them problems when they are well

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I completely agree with that. It concerns me that although at the moment they may not mind being filmed/it being showed on TV, that in the future there could be repercussions.

Paramedics are not allowed to restrain people, hence why they could not stop the guy from taking the overdose. If they touched him they could have got in trouble for assault had he made a complaint.

I have mixed views on this series. I think they are trying to show mental health and what it actually causes people to feel, and to also show the impact it has on the emergency services.
Don't think it's been tastefully done in some ways though I don't believe that to be the paramedics fault.

didn't manage to watch all of it just last half but i was prepared this week for whatever scene so that was fine but my grumble this time: lol!
Is actually the paramedics attitudes on the programme tbh,yes I can only imagine what it must be like to have tons of call outs attending to people who are suicidal in one shift but it was just the way one of them goes oh its someone under a train come on then-but in the joyous tone of voice like hes going to be watching some sort've exciting horror film or the woman paramedic whos like oh just kill me now-
Ok i get it,I get that when you do a job like that you have to have a sense of humour to get through it all I know this because of the job I used to do-you almost become blase about things but I was quite uncomfortable with the fact they were quite happy to show this attitude on T.V and that oh I dunno what I'm trying to say but I think ultimately what I think is that paramedics like one of them said need more mental health training because they are ultimately the first ones on a scene of a crisis and if that attitude came across to the patient worst case scenerio it could have potentially serious consequences thats just my thoughts this week! :-)

Not watched this show previously but decided to tonight..wish I didn't now as it was triggering as hell but whatever.

I think the patients have to consent after the crises and sign some kind of disclaimer/waiver.

It is like the film borat, it was all filmed and after the film was complete or the scenes were complete the participants signed it.

I haven't seen any of this series, as I find that there are too many programmes like this at the moment which, under the guise of 'educating and informing' are actually just sensationalising issues.

However I have seen things that are similar, and I find it uncomfortable that it seems more acceptable in some ways to have a flippant attitude towards someone who has self-harmed or is actively suicidal or acutely mentally unwell than it is if someone has physical problems. You wouldn't hear many paramedics say "Oh cripes, another heart attack, boring".

I understand that paramedics are there to respond to medical emergencies, but I fundamentally believe that mental health emergencies are medical, sometimes life-or-death emergencies like any other. I do wish there was a specialised emergency service who could manage mental health crises in the community, who had training and could do necessary first aid, C&R etc. but there really isn't the money. So it feels like patients with mental health problems are expected to be 'someone else's problem'.

I am saying this generally, as I previously stated I haven't seen the programme.

It feels as though there is this air of 'well, it's self-inflicted' - which it sometimes is - but they seem to forget that so many health problems are indirectly self-inflicted, as a result of poor lifestyle choices.

I took the option not to watch it , and it seems from the comments posted to have been the correct one.

^ I totally agree whirlpools.

^Made me lol!

I found that the worst one, & at the end they said he was still receiving treatment & 'may never fully recover'. Chilling

Especially with the amount of repeats this programme will inevitably get. I remember a few members from here being uncomfortable about the RYL documentary being repeated a few times

I would be really interested to know about the legalities of gaining permission from the patients.
A few years ago I responded to an offer on an OCD forum to be on a documentary where I would go away to receive help. I was so desperate at the time. They interviewed me, my Dad & my friend on camera. They asked to speak to my CPN (who told me that she would tell them I was too vulnerable) but they never did. My CPN convinced me it was a bad idea & I emailed the woman to tell her I wasn't in the right place, blah blah. She never replied :angry:

^ lol! thanks :-) well I just wish programmes would stick to the story they are supposed to be doing.
This week they did stick to the stories presented to the crew so i'm at least happy with that ;-)

I was horrified about the way some of the paramedics were treating drunk people - yes I can see they get frustrated, but having recently been taken to A&E via ambulance due to a drink related SI/Sui attempt incident, I would be horrified to think that they'd been speaking about me like that.

I completely agree, I have been in that situation too and I would hate to have them say and think that way about me.

I have to say, the show does make me paranoid for the above reasons! Even though I haven't been taking in because of drinking, this show really does highlight how they can be super nice to your face and then horrible behind your back. Although I'm sure a lot of that is down to clever editing and perhaps a pressure that is put on them to make a good show.

I don't know anyone watching tonight's x