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v.4 & absent webmasters
I think I already know the answer to this question; and I'm pretty sure it's going to be the same as the answer we were given way back before anyone even had access to v.3, but when is v.4 going to come around?
And any idea when we're going to get our webmaster back? I know he's rehabilitating at the moment (and I really do hope that it's going well) but H being away isn't a new problem (as I'm sure most of the mods remember my moans and groans years ago) and yeah, it sucks to have a website without a webmaster, just like you'd be lost at sea on a ship with no captain. Aimee, Typsee and the rest of the moderating/staff teams have done a brilliant job at keeping RYL going, but that's all it is, because it's all they CAN do - keep it going. No improvements can be made without Harley around, and a lot of people that know their interwebz would expect the webmaster of a site like this to at least be active occasionally. Kthnx. |
I believe it was due to be here before Easter (this year), but due to some technical problems or something it is now more likely to be late 2010. I'm taking that with a truckload of salt though.
I know that sometimes it might seem like we are all incredibly ungrateful towards Harley, but we're not. It's just the same old frustration cropping up again and again. |
What Chels/Claire said. I'm so constructive. :P
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I'm fairly sure that V4 was supposed to be up over a year ago.
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along with a millionother new things, but yeah.
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do we really need a v4...?
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apparently.
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Whilst new things are cool, it would just be nice to focus on and sort out the fundamental things that've needed sorting since V2 before we go focussing on some fancy new toy to play with. It's just so frustrating, it's the same thing time and again.
P.S. Tiff, I keep on staring at your signature and thinking I've said I've liked it without actually saying it - so for the record, I LOVE your signature. |
^same.
to the post before your second post, which was ninja like :P |
In all fairness though it must be hard to run this large a community, especially when he is unwell... without Harley we wouldn't have RYL in the first pleace.
I do totally get what you guys are saying though, and I do rather like RYL as it is. And I agree on the fact that we should sort out fundamental things before v4. Just my 2 socks :) |
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v.4 was being talked about way back when I was still on the staff - which is like, well over a year ago. in fact, maybe two? and it was a fairly old concept by then, so it's gotta have been coming for at least two years.
kinda makes me wonder why i spent so much time trying to raise money to go towards it. lol. |
Harley must be really sick or had had really bad accident, my hopes are with him either way, yeah . what is a v4... i dont understand that. and why do we need it.
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because bells whistles and gongs are cool (Y)
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If my grandkids turn out crazy, I shall ask them whether Harley is back yet.
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This is 100% my opinion and dosen't reflect the views of any one else on staff or any of the staff teams.
I expect beta access for V4 to be out by the winter of 2011 at the very earliest. That *should*put the opening around SIAD of 2012. The coding for the new version of the forum software looks like it came out during the summer. What ever is happening to chat hasn't been seriously talked about. And there are a few other major things that are still up in the air. Plus a person with admin access needs to be healthy enough to work on RYL. |
Hmmmm.
This thread is a bit diffiult to reply to when some people are asking when it's coming and then why do we need it anyway. It almost sounds as though it's becoming a place for people to start a little bit of Harley bashing/let's point out the bad things, thread. I do think that people should consider what they're saying before posting personal things like "plus a person with admin access needs to be healthy enough to work on RYL." So that aside, in response to Chelsea's post... as someone mentioned I believe the code only came out this Summer... and Harley then had an accident, which he is no doubt still recovering from. So now there is code and when he's better, I guess it will be as soon as he can - not forgetting that he is a person who does all this voluntarily and gives time / thought to this site that would be worth a *lot* of money. Quote:
Chloe |
Chloe, whilst I respect what you're saying, are you actually suggesting that that backlog of things needing to be done to RYL have only occurred in the last few weeks since Harley's accident?
I don't deny that he needs a rest right now - but this is hardly a new issue. And, fundamentally, RYL cannot pretend to be a professional site (with a shop, fundraising and supporters) when it hasn't got a professional leader. It's as simple as that; a professional site needs some form of ability to change basic things like the rules page, and I don't understand how else Harley expects it to function? I'm bitching more than I intended to. It's pent-up frustration I think. Sorry guys. |
*sits down to watch arguments and bitchfest to begin*
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I agree its been going on so long its ridiculous. I realise Harley has been ill but there are lots of things that need doing which have needed doing for ages, not to mention v4. It just seems like there is always some excuse.
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im unsure as to the point of this thread to be honest.
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//never mind the fact I have nothing useful to say either. |
Christ if I was Harley and saw this thread I'd be fuming, and thinking how ungrateful some members are being.
The poor blokes just had a pretty bad accident that he's in the process of recovering from! He hardly planned it so could hardly take the measures to put someone else in place. He's also making V4 to make the site better for us, so while I know its taking a long time to come out, why dont the members who are moaning learn some patience for something that he doesnt actually have to do for us? Also, as others have said, he's not getting paid to do this, hes spent alot of time making RYL into what it is which he never had to do. /Rant over. Feel free to pick this apart now. Ah, and everything Morrigan said too =P |
Pretty much what Irene said oh and Nic, I loled.
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What Irene said. We're lucky have have RYL, and i'll always be so greatful to Harley for it.
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Hey Jo. I'm not suggesting that the backlog of things needing to be done has only occurred in last few weeks. However, I would suggest that a lot of the modifications that are planned were for V4, which was impossible before 8 weeks ago and then you know the rest.
I also think that there is a time, place and correct way to be bring these things up. I'm sure H will say that he's used to these type of comments (which is sad in itself, no?!) but in terms of bitching - we get frustrated about things and that's fair enough, but I would say that Irene has addressed the reasons why it could be deemed unfair and ungrateful. It is worth noting, that as Head Supporter I would say the team are pretty autonomous. We have technical issues that inhibit LH working as well as we'd like - absolutely - there are bells and whistles that would be great BUT we actually work alright when Harley isn't around - we don't **need** him there. I'd go so far as to say that we're professional and productive when he isn't around - the team work just as hard regarless and it doesn't effect the levels of support. I appreciate that doesn't mean it's the same for every team, but hopefully gives you an insight to the Supporters at least. And to echo boats "Christ if I was Harley and saw this thread I'd be fuming", I think if any of us saw a thread like this about ourselves we would be hurt - hell, it'd probably be removed for flaming. Worth thinking about when posting maybe. Chloe |
I am in complete agreement with Irene. Some of us are starting to act spoilt. RYL is here for free y'know. So who are we to complain?
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Let's all just stop bitching about Harley now. There is no need, and it won't make him recover faster.
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It's not bitching about Harley, though. It's raising very valid points about the absence of a webmaster, which is pretty important for any site the size of RYL. And if you cannot be around, make sure that there are enough people who can carry on doing the most of the roles you do. It's a very, very basic leadership. It's not as if we're sitting here saying 'oh, Harley is so ****, I can't believe he'd do that! What a bastard" - it's raising genuine issues about a genuine problem that's been going on for far too long.
I don't think that anybody suggested, by the way, that Harley should put the website above his own health; that's an absurd implication. What should have happened years ago, though, is that there's some sort of delegation of power, so that if Harley does become inactive the site can still continue ticking over as normal. It doesn't have to be a complete delegation of power, but just enough to be able to make basic changes to the site; to the rules, for example (I'm bringing that one back up because that's stupidly important and it's also completely reliant on Harley being around and active to change them) - plus that would also take a lot of the pressure from Harley. I think that would make the world of difference for the site, but it's not happening and it hasn't happened the last six billion times that it's been asked - but I think his accident pretty much exemplifies why delegation of power is so damn important. It's just the same problems that have been arising for years. Quote:
And I don't see how it's a bad thing that Harley being used to a recurring complaint that's a genuine issue for a number of members and teams on the site. If anything, it shows poor leadership for these problems having not been addressed yet. I don't expect Harley to be super-human. I don't expect him to put this site before anything else, I don't expect him to work day and night for this or even all day for this, I don't even expect him to be a leader - but I do think that basic issues need to be addressed, and if Harley can't do them there should be some sort of flowchart of power so they actually do get done. Simple things like that would also address how much time H actually needs to put into the site, and would allow him to have a life too. Essentially, what Chels said in her first post. |
I'd just like to add that I'm not bitching about Harley's accident. I'm just kinda curious as to why we need v4... like, security issues, for example. Have they caused an actual problem that needs resolving soon? Are we not just making more work for the poor guy?
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We do have a delegation of power, it only falls short in a few places and one of those is unfortunately the rules pages. But the site is still ticking over, is it not?
I don't know why we need v4; it's Harley's idea so it's not us creating more work rather than him. And I think the reasoning is because it's going to improve the site and he ultimately wants it to be the best it can be. For us. |
I can only echo Jo.
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The question was really about v4 and there were two issues: 1 - the code only just came out 2 - why? As Aimee said "I think the reasoning is because it's going to improve the site and he ultimately wants it to be the best it can be. For us." Chloe |
I don't know if it's just because I'm less easily offended than most, but I don't think I have actually been horrid in anything that I've said? I would appreciate it if you could highlight where I have been, just because I've re-read over what I've said a few times now and I'm still pretty clueless. I have no negative feeling towards Harley at all, it's the lack of a webmaster on a forum that's trying to grow and be professional (and asking for fundraising, fffs) that I find frustrating.
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What would be fantastically useful would be a tech side. I know of quite a few members who've volunteered themselves, and there has been a tech team in the past - but people who are able to code, to change basic technical things on the forum (obvs without the power to delete the site or anything :P). I don't know if it's just 'cause being in the CT I see a lot of ideas that seem to fall down because Harley isn't around, but there are a number of things that are needing to be done that just can't be. Quote:
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I really can't see how this thread would offend anyone. As an [ex] webmaster myself, I always took on board constructive critisicm, which is what I see this thread as. We all know Harley works hard, but people are bound to get frustrated with somethings that can't be fixed because nobody here has the power to do t.
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complete the smaller things & the bigger things will happen seamlessly. |
Chloe, no one is getting upset by this (except maybe you >.<). it's just one of many ongoing issues this community faces, and by discussing it in the thread it is, somewhat, being dealt with. as a community we should be able to question what's going on, and not keep things hush hush. this is an online community, this is a community discussion, therefore i would hate for this thread to be locked & the issue just to be discussed amongst the mods&others. it's not a personal attack on harley, merely just attempting to understand the situation & trying to heal it& make RYL it place it could be.
& jo <3 |
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I also think it's a little off track now, which is why I've stopped replying in such depth. Chloe |
All in all, yes we do need V4 but it is not really a top priority. RYL is functioning as it is and yes it would be useful to have a few things sorted out that have been discussed between the community, mods and the community team not all these are actions that need to be carried out straight away. I understand some peoples frustrations that yes it has been a long time since the prospect of V4 was mentioned but RYL has undergone so many changes in the past to iron out creases along the way, this is indeed the next step but we will have to wait. Their are no significant impairments that I can think of at the minute as everything seems to be managed fairly well with what we have got and technical jibjab is usually sorted quite quickly by James. It's just a waiting game at the moment and it will all be here in good time I suppose.
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